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Gregorius' marries his second wife, Hedle Scherer in Sundhouse, France on 27.04.1657 Hedle (Hedwig?) Scherer, was the daughter of Jacob Scherer. She ooII Sundhouse 25.06.1676 Johann Lauerer, son of the deceased Johann Lauerer of Münchenbuchsee BE.They had seven children together in France. All were baptized in baptized Sundhouse. He died on 25 September 1675, at the age of 53.
Question by Wolf :
Wolf: Urmi in Sundhouse (Bas-Rhin)
Felix Urmi marries Adelheid Grob on 11.02.1616 in Knonau (Canton of Zurich, Switzerland); the couple have 8 children baptized in Knonau:
The couple joined the Anabaptists and were expelled from the country in 1635 and allegedly left for Alsace - with the exception of their eldest son Gorius, who may already have been married at this time. He and his wife join him in 1646; the wife is said to have died before 1657. So much for the Swiss sources.
Geneanet has a lot of information about Urmi in Sundhouse (Sundhausen), including contradictory information about Gorius (Gregorius) Urmi. They have the date of death 25.09.1675 in common, all have no baptism date, place of marriage always Sundhouse, the daughter Verena (*1662) is always mentioned.
https://gw.geneanet.org/vio005?n=urmi&oc=&p=georgius: Georgius is then married in his first marriage to a Margaretha, with whom he has two children (1655 and 1657); the mother dies in 1657. In his second marriage in 1657 he marries a Hadla Schauer, with whom he has 6 children baptized (1658-1671).
https://gw.geneanet.org/matter3?n=urmi&oc=&p=georgius: Georgius then marries Hadla Schauer in 1657; only the daughter Verena is listed.
https://gw.geneanet.org/seba73?n=urmi&oc=&p=gregory: Gregory then marries Elda Scherer in 1651. Baregg (Knonau) is given as the place of birth.
Unfortunately, the church records from Bas-Rhin don't seem to be available online - or am I just not finding them? Is anyone involved with this family or at least researching Sundhouse and can help?
Answer: Richard Schmidt
Re: Urmi in Sundhouse (Bas-Rhin)
Hello Wolf,
The parish registers of Sundhouse are online here
https://archives.bas-rhin.fr/registres- ... P2-R254034
Here is the first entry for URMI
Sundhouse RPp 62/225)
den 26 10bris (1650) seind zweiy Kinder getauft worden das Maegdin von drittalb Jahren alt, das Knäblein von dreyfiertel Jahren, puella vocata Barbara, puerulius Philippus st. quorum Pater Anapaptista erat Gerrgius Urmi, Mater vero calvanista, nomen Margaretha, haben sich aber beyde auffs newe Jahr beverth.
The second wife is a SCHERER
oo 27.4.1657 Sundhoue (180/225)
Geörgius Urmi and Hedle Jacob Scherer's daughter
This woman married on 25.6.1676 in Sundhouse (189/225) Johann LAUERER (LAUWERER) son of Johann LAUERER deceased in Münchenbuchsee, Bern, CH.
With kind regards
Richard Schmidt
Question Wolf:
Thank you very much, Richard! I had found the archive page - but when I tried to call up a parish ... simply nothing at all :? ... I must have waited a minute or more, several times. Was the server simply in a bad state?
With your link it worked - and now the search for a parish also works - it took maybe 5 seconds.
In addition to your hints, I have also found the following on https://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-doc ... 34-1794590 I also found the following death entry: Anno 1675 den 25. 7ber ist Gregorius Urmi, Burger auch zu Schlettstatt gestorben, sambt zweyen Kinderen.
Father and 2 of his children died on the same day: was there an epidemic (plague?) that year or was it an accident ... or?
In any case, this point has now been cleared up and I can start evaluating / assessing / checking the information on the subsequent generations.
Question Wolf:
D-3) Gregorius Urmi ooI Margretha Bär, ooII 1657 Hedle SchererGregorius (Gorius) Urmi, ≈ Knonau ZH 26.12.1622, son of Felix, emigrates to Alsace as an Anabaptist around 1647. According to the death entry (Sundhouse 25.09.1675 [§]), he is a citizen of both Sundhausen and Schlettstadt.
ooI Knonau 14.01.1647
Margretha Bär, according to the marriage entry “a Widerteüffers daughter from Ütliberg”, ■ Sundhouse 04.02.1657 dies “in puerperio”.
Wolf:
Kent: Does "in puerperio" mean in childbirth?
Yes - her death and his baptism were on the same day: quite possible that he was baptised immediately as problems were expected.
Kent: I take it Margretha Bär was an Anabaptist.
As I quoted on the forum: in her marriage entry is says "eines Widerteüffers Tochter ab dem Ütliberg" … so her father was an Anabaptist, and she likely was brought up this way. However, in the baptismal entry 1650 of her two children she's described as Calvinist.
Üetliberg is a small mountain range SW border of Zürich.
Children (baptized Sundhouse):
≈ 26.10.1650 Barbara, aged 3½, i.e. * spring 1647 [§§]
≈ 26.10.1650 Philip, ¾-year-old, i.e. * early 1650 [§§]
≈ 14.08.1655 Margretha
≈ 04.02.1657 Johannes
Kent: Does "in puerperio" mean in childbirth?
Yes - her death and his baptism were on the same day: quite possible that he was baptised immediately as problems were expected.
Kent: I take it Margretha Bär was an Anabaptist.
As I quoted on the forum: in her marriage entry is says "eines Widerteüffers Tochter ab dem Ütliberg" … so her father was an Anabaptist, and she likely was brought up this way. However, in the baptismal entry 1650 of her two children she's described as Calvinist.
Üetliberg is a small mountain range SW border of Zürich.
Children (baptized Sundhouse):
≈ 26.10.1650 Barbara, aged 3½, i.e. * spring 1647 [§§]
≈ 26.10.1650 Philip, ¾-year-old, i.e. * early 1650 [§§]
≈ 14.08.1655 Margretha
≈ 04.02.1657 Johannes
Gregorius Urmi (1622-1675)
ooII Sundhouse 27.04.1657
Hedle (Hedwig?) Scherer, daughter of Jacob Scherer. She ooII Sundhouse 25.06.1676 Johann Lauerer, son of the deceased Johann Lauerer of Münchenbuchsee BE.
Children (baptized Sundhouse):
≈ 25.04.1658 Jacob , ■ Sundhouse 28.04.1683
≈ 21.08.1659 Margretha
≈ 10.03.1661 Anna
≈ 21.12.1662 Verena, oo Sundhouse 08.04.1684 Leonhard Hans Jacob (1653-before1739), + Sundhouse 13.04.1739, ■ 15.04.1739
≈ 10.11.1667 Elisabetha
≈ 06.01.1671 Gregorius
[§] Anno 1675, 25. 7ber, Gregorius Urmi, burgher also of Schlettstatt died, together with two children.
[§§] Qorum Pater Anabaptista erat, Georgius Urmj; Mater vero Calvinista, nom(en) Margaretha; but both have married for the new year.
Urmi in Sundhouse (Bas-Rhin)
Answer Hello Wolf,
the old “drittalb” means in the area of Schlestatt (Sélestat) 3 years less half a year, so 2 and a half years.
Greetings from Alsace
Richard
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Wolf:
There isn't more than I had transcribed in the forum:
Anno 1675 den 25. 7ber ist Gregorius Urmi, Burger auch zu Schlettstatt gestorben, sambt zweyen Kinderen.
Georgius Urmi, citizen of (Sundhausen) and as well of Schlettstadt died 25.09.1675, together with two children. No indication what happened.
Note: Gregorius (Gorius) Urmi, ≈ Knonau ZH 26.12.1622, son of Felix, emigrates to Alsace as an Anabaptist around 1647. According to the death entry (Sundhouse 25.09.1675 [§]), he is a citizen of both Sundhausen and Schlettstadt.
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| 1689 BV Anna Urmi Mettmenstetten Parish film 008014133 page 325 |
Wolf:
Oßlj Wÿß filius 9. 7bris 55 / Anna Vrmj
The "filius" (= son) indicates that there is another Oswald Weiss around - but not his father. He was born 09.09.1655.
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| 1689 BV Anna Urmi Mettmenstetten Parish film 008014133 page 325 |