Katharina Scholl was born on 26 Aug 1797 to Johann Jacob Scholl (1773-1836) and Catharina Kemm (1775-1852). She was the second of 11 children in Graben. In a most unusual turn of events Katharina had three illegitimate children in 1815, 1818 and 1819. Five years after her 3rd illegitimate child Katharina married the father of her children.
What happened to Katharina Scholl's children?1. Peter Nagel born 1815 married Margaretha Mueller on the 14th of Dec 1841 and they had at least one child.
2. Katharina Scholl (took the mother's surname) born 16 Dec1817 died 8 January 1818. On the 16th of December [1817] in the afternoon at 3:00 pm was born here and on the 19th of the same month midday at 1:00 pm baptized: Katharina, second illegitimate child of Katharina Schollin, legitimate daughter of the local citizen and innkeeper (serving wine) at the sign of the bouquet Jakob Scholl and his wife Katharina, née Kemmin.
3. Margaretha Magdalena Nagel born On the 19th of April [1819] at night at 11:30 pm born and on the 21st of the same month midday at 1:00 pm baptized: Margaretha Magdalena, third illegitimate child of Katharina Schollin, legitimate daughter of the local citizen and innkeeper (serving wine) at the sign of the bouquet Jakob Scholl and his wife Katharina, née Kemmin. Margaretha married Johann Wendel Metzger on the 28th of Feb 1840 and they had 9 children.
Documents related to Katharina Scholl:
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| Katharina Scholl birth 1797 film 102078298 page 769 |
On the 26th of August [1797] midday at 11:00 am born and on the 27th of the same month baptized: Catharina [Scholl].
Father: Johann Jacob Scholl, the local citizen and innkeeper at the sign of the bouquet.
Mother: Catharina, née Kemmin.
Baptismal witnesses: (1) Jacob Friderich Herbster, the local citizen, and (2) his wife Elisabetha, née Herbsterin. (3) Carl Ludwig Raicher, the local citizen and surgeon.
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| Peter illegitimate son of Katharina Scholl birth 22 Dec 1815 film. 102078348 page 916 |
No. 56.
On the 22nd of December [1815] in the evening at 4:00 pm was born here and on the 23rd of the same month midday at 1:00 pm was baptized: Peter. The mother is Katharina Schollin, legitimate daughter of the local citizen and innkeeper at the sign of the bouquet Jacob Scholl and his wife Katharina, née Kemmin. Father: is [Wilhelm Nagel] according to his voluntary statement at his marriage on the 8th of January 1824.
Baptismal witnesses are: (1) Peter Zimmermann, local citizen. (2) His wife Magdalena, née Kemmin. (3) Matthias Scholl, the unmarried local mason, legitimate son of the deceased local citizen and innkeeper at the sign of the bouquet Matthias Scholl with Elisabetha, née Gamerin. (4) Magdalena Wenzin, legitimate unmarried daughter of Simon Wenz, the local citizen and welfare/alms supervisor with the late Katharina, née Lindin.
Graben, on the 23rd of December 1815. T. G. Beck, pastor.
Right margin: Nagel.
Note well: illegitimate.
[Signatures confirming the father's statement about paternity]: Wilhelm Nagel. Witnesses: Friedrich Kemm, Philipp Nagel, T. Henhofer, pastor.
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| Katharina Scholl 8 Jan 1818 film 102078348 page 927 left mid |
No. 38.
On the 16th of December [1817] in the afternoon at 3:00 pm was born here and on the 19th of the same month midday at 1:00 pm baptized: Katharina, second illegitimate child of Katharina Schollin, legitimate daughter of the local citizen and innkeeper (serving wine) at the sign of the bouquet Jakob Scholl and his wife Katharina, née Kemmin.
Baptismal witnesses are: (1) Philipp Nagel, local citizen and master weaver. (2) His wife Margaretha, née Braunin. (3) Jakob Friedrich Süß, local citizen and master shoemaker. (4) His wife Christine, née Schollin.
Note well: Wilhelm Nagel, legitimate son of the deceased local citizen Johann Adam Nagel and his wife Maria Katharina, née Braun, has voluntarily declared that he is the father.
Graben, on the 19th of December 1817. T. G. Beck, pastor.
Left margin:"Schollin". [Note that the child took her mother's maiden surname.]
Died 8 January 1818.
[Wilhelm Nagel] has voluntarily declared that he is the father of this child at his marriage on 8 January 1824.
[signatures]: Wilhelm Nagel. [father] Friedrich Kemm. Philipp Nagel. [signed] Henhöfer, pastor.
Note: Friedrich Kemm is Katharina's maternal uncle who lived from 1782-1830. He married Barbara Maag about 1800 and they had one child named Catharina Kemm in 1802.
Note: Christina Scholl was born 26 June 1786 to Matthias Scholl b 1744 and Maria Elisabeth Gamer b 1750. She was their 9th child. Christina or Christine married Jacob Friderich Süss 8 Dec 1808 and they had 12 children. Jacob Friedrich Süß, new prospective/budding citizen and shoemaker, legitimately-conceived unmarried son of Jacob Süß.
Out of order document related to the entry above.
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| Jacob Friedrich Suss mother Christina Scholl born 22 Sep 1809 film 102078348 page 872 |
Born on the 22nd September 1809 at 5 in the morning and christened on the 24th of the same month, was Jacob Friedrich SÜß, son of Jacob Friedrich SÜß a local citicen and master shoemaker and wife Christina nee SCHOLL(in).
Witnesses are 1. Wendelin WEICK the local citizen and master tailor, 2. his wife Margaretha nee WERNER(in), 3. Friedrich SÜß, local citizen and master weaver, 4. his wife Christina nee WALDER(in) or MALDER(in)
remark: child died 4th October 1809
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| Mother? Katharina Scholl 21 April 1819 top rt film 102078348 page 935 |
Translation by Robert Seal:
No. 13. Note well: illegitimate.
On the 19th of April [1819] at night at 11:30 pm born and on the 21st of the same month midday at 1:00 pm baptized: Margaretha Magdalena, third illegitimate child of Katharina Schollin, legitimate daughter of the local citizen and innkeeper (serving wine) at the sign of the bouquet Jakob Scholl and his wife Katharina, née Kemmin.
No. 13. Note well: illegitimate.
On the 19th of April [1819] at night at 11:30 pm born and on the 21st of the same month midday at 1:00 pm baptized: Margaretha Magdalena, third illegitimate child of Katharina Schollin, legitimate daughter of the local citizen and innkeeper (serving wine) at the sign of the bouquet Jakob Scholl and his wife Katharina, née Kemmin.
Baptismal witnesses are: (1) Christoph Kemm, legitimate unmarried son of the local citizen and court clerk Wilhelm Kemm. (2) Christoph Scholl, tailor, legitimate unmarried son of the deceased local citizen Philipp Scholl. (3) Margaretha Herbsterin, legitimate unmarried daughter of the local citizen and master miller Jacob Herbster. (4)
Magdalena Schollin, legitimate daughter of the late local citizen and
innkeeper (serving wine) at the sign of the bouquet Matthias Scholl.
Graben, on the 21st of April 1819. T. G. Beck, pastor.
Note in right margin: Wilhelm Nagel declared himself to be the father of this child at his subsequent marriage on 8 January 1823. Witnesses: Friedrich Kemm, Philipp Nagel. T. Henhöfer, pastor.
Comment: Here is the link from Ancestry to the 8 January 1824 marriage of Wilhelm Nagel and Katharina Scholl:
Note: Philipp Scholl 1759-1817 must have had a son Christoph Graben, on the 21st of April 1819. T. G. Beck, pastor.
Note in right margin: Wilhelm Nagel declared himself to be the father of this child at his subsequent marriage on 8 January 1823. Witnesses: Friedrich Kemm, Philipp Nagel. T. Henhöfer, pastor.
Comment: Here is the link from Ancestry to the 8 January 1824 marriage of Wilhelm Nagel and Katharina Scholl:
Note: Matthias Scholl b 1744 died 1794, daughter Magdalena Scholl 1793-1850. Magdalena married 13 May 1819 to Christoph Scholl 1792-1850. Cousins marriage.
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| Katharina Scholl marriage to Wilhelm Nagel 8 Jan 1824 film 102078348 page 1087 |
Translation by Robert Seal:
No. 2
On the 8th of January [1824] midday at 11:00 am were married and maritally blessed the local new prospective citizen and master weaver Wilhelm Nagel, legitimately-conceived son of the late Georg Adam Nagel, citizen and master weaver, with Maria Katharina, née Braun, age 29 years, and with him Katharina Scholl, legitimately-conceived daughter of the local citizen and innkeeper (serving wine) at the sign of the bouquet Johann Jakob Scholl with Katharina, née Kemmin, age 26 years.
No. 2
On the 8th of January [1824] midday at 11:00 am were married and maritally blessed the local new prospective citizen and master weaver Wilhelm Nagel, legitimately-conceived son of the late Georg Adam Nagel, citizen and master weaver, with Maria Katharina, née Braun, age 29 years, and with him Katharina Scholl, legitimately-conceived daughter of the local citizen and innkeeper (serving wine) at the sign of the bouquet Johann Jakob Scholl with Katharina, née Kemmin, age 26 years.
The witnesses are Friedrich Kemm, citizen, and Philipp Nagel, citizen and master weaver.
Graben, on the 8th of January 1824. Henhöfer, pastor.
Graben, on the 8th of January 1824. Henhöfer, pastor.
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| *Philipp Werner marriage 17 Nov 1831 film 102550955 page 654 2 |
Translation by Robert Seal:
No. 12.
In the year of Christ 1831, on the 17th of November in the morning at 10:30 am, on the submitted Karlsruhe marriage certificate no. 14231 dated 26 October and after the legal proclamation, were married: the new budding citizen and farmer Philipp Werner (born 13 April 1804), a legitimate unmarried son of the deceased citizen and master tailor? Johann Philipp Werner and his wife Maria Margaretha Kammerer, Protestant faith; and with him Eva Katharina Kammerer (born 22 September 1806), a legitimate unmarried daughter of the local citizen and farmer Simon Kammerer and his deceased wife Eva Katharina, née Grünenmeyer, likewise Protestant faith. Witnesses were: Friedrich Wentz and Christoph Werner, citizens.
Graben, on the 17th of November 1831. T. Pastor Käß,
No. 12.
In the year of Christ 1831, on the 17th of November in the morning at 10:30 am, on the submitted Karlsruhe marriage certificate no. 14231 dated 26 October and after the legal proclamation, were married: the new budding citizen and farmer Philipp Werner (born 13 April 1804), a legitimate unmarried son of the deceased citizen and master tailor? Johann Philipp Werner and his wife Maria Margaretha Kammerer, Protestant faith; and with him Eva Katharina Kammerer (born 22 September 1806), a legitimate unmarried daughter of the local citizen and farmer Simon Kammerer and his deceased wife Eva Katharina, née Grünenmeyer, likewise Protestant faith. Witnesses were: Friedrich Wentz and Christoph Werner, citizens.
Graben, on the 17th of November 1831. T. Pastor Käß,
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| Wilhelm Nagel death 1847 film 102550549 page 216 |
Translation by Robert Seal:
No. 42.
In the year of Christ 1847, on the 15th of October early about 7:00 am was found dead in the field within the limits of Graben and on the 17th of the same month early at 4:00 am was delivered to the anatomy institute in Heidelberg: Wilhelm Nagel, citizen and weaver here, age: 52 years, 6 months, and 15 days. His surviving widow is: Katharina Scholl. His deceased parents were: Georg Adam Nagel, citizen here, and Maria Katharina Braun.
Witnesses are: (1) Philipp Kammerer, mayor here. (2) Philipp Werner, citizen and field watchman here.
Graben, on the 17th of October 1847. T. Crecelius, pastor.
Right margin: Married man.
Note from Ulrich Neitzel: Heidelberg University is one of the oldest universities worldwide, founded in 1386 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heidelberg_University). It certainly had an anatomy institute in the medical faculty in 1847. One can only speculate for which reason the body of Wilhelm Nagel was delivered to the anatomy institute. I tend to agree with Robert Seal that the body was donated for medical education and research, in particular since there is no mentioning of a burial. After an autopsy there usually would be a funeral. The body
was delivered from Graben to Heidelburg a distance of 24 miles.
Note from Robert Seal: Yes, it's possible that the body was sent to Heidelberg for an autopsy because of his unexpected death in the field. However, given his age at death of 52+ years it's not unreasonable to assume that the cause of his death was not
necessarily suspicious but of a natural cause such as heart attack or stroke.
Note: The following were mayors in Graben:
Bürgermeisters:
1830 Christoph Kemm
1836 Martin Suss
1846 Philipp Kammerer (witness to this death)
1858 Jakob Weid 1864 Wilhelm Heinle
Note: It is interesting that the other witness was Philipp Werner, citizen and field watchman here because he may have found the body while in the service of his job. Philipp Werner was born about 1804. He married Eva Catharina Kammerer 17 Nov 1831 and they had seven children.
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| Philipp Werner familybook II page 114 film 102118620 page 1135 |
After Philipp's name does it say bürger or citizen?
Eva Katharina Cammerer - married 17 Nov 1831
Children:
1. Wilhelm
2. Carl Ludwig
3. Wilhelm
4. Katharina Friederika
5.Carl Ludwig
6. Aūgūst (not sure of the month he was born)
7. Aūgūst (immigrated to America)
Translation by Robert Seal
After Philipp's name does it say bürger or citizen? It says "Bauer" = farmer.
Wife and marriage date are correct.
Carl Ludwig
Wilhelm
Katharina Friederike
Carl Ludwig
August [no marks over the u's], born 5 December.
August [no marks over the u's] (immigrated to America)
Comment: The curved marks over the u's in "August" are called bogens. They are not accent marks, rather they are a scribal convention used to distinguish the "u" from other similarly written letters such as "e" and "n". When transcribing, you should not include these bogens in your transcription. N.B. Bogens should not be confused with umlauts, which are the two dots you sometimes find over the "u" and other letters. Umlauts are accent marks and should be transcribed with the letter, e.g. "ü".
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| Katharina Nagel née Scholl death 13 Jan 1867 film 102550532 |
No. 2.
In the year 1867, on the 13th of January in the morning at 6:00 am died here and was buried on the 15th of January [1867] in the morning at 9:00 am by the undersigned: Katharina Nagel, née Scholl, 67* ["nine" written above "seven" correcting the age to 69 years], 7 months, and 17 days old. Widow of Wilhelm Nagel, late citizen and weaver here. Her parents were Johann Jacob Scholl, late citizen and innkeeper at the sign of the bouquet here, and the late Katharina, née Kemm.
Witnesses: Johann Wendel Mezger/Metzger, mason, and Jacob Scholl, tailor, both citizens here.
Graben, on the 15th of January 1867. Zimmern, pastor.
Right margin: 13 January. Nagel, née Scholl, Katharina. Widow. 69 years, 7 months, 17 days.
*Correction verified. Zimmern, pastor.
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| Philipp Werner death 27 Jan 1874 film 102118620 page 546 |
Number: 2.
Burial date: 29 January [1874], 3:00 pm.
Death date: 27 January 1874.
Name, status, and residence of the deceased: Philipp Werner, farmer here, husband of Eva Katharina, née Kammerer.
Age: 69 years, 9 months, 14 days.
Remarks: [Family register] volume II, page 144.
H. Zimmern, pastor.