What happened to their children?
Johann Thomas Nüchter bap 28 Sep 1712 - 27 Aug 1769 in Graben, married and had three girls
Johann Caspar Nüchter bap 29 Nov 1713
Anna Christina Nüchter bap 7 Nov 1715
Gertraut Nüchter b ap 5 Mar 1718, a sponsor was Gertraut Koller
Johann Laurentis Nüchter bap 16 Feb 1720 - 6 Nov 1721
Ulrich Neitzel on Breitenborn location:
The
original test is: zu Breitenborn im Hanauischen which can be translated
as "belonging to the Hanau dominion". Only the second of these
Breitenborns (Breitenborn mit Lützel) belonged to Lordship of Hanau until 1736. (German Wikipedia: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breitenborn_(Biebergem%C3%BCnd)).
At the time of the marriage (1746) it was already incorporated into the
Landgraviate Hessen-Kassel, but from a historic viewpoint Thomas
Nichter came from (was born in) that region under the previous reign. Preussen came much later into play. Meyers Gazetteer online refers to the situation of the German Empire after 1871. Still
it is remarkable that Thomas married in Graben, which is about 100
miles away. At that time this was quite a distance and the question is
for what reason he moved so far from his home?
Wikipedia:
Modern Times
Breitenborn / Lützel was created in 1753 when the hamlet of Lützel and the village of Breitenborn were merged. At that time, Breitenborn / Lützel was part of the Bieber office of the County of Hanau-Münzenberg , which had itself been part of the since 1736 Landgraviate of Hessen-Kassel . In 1821 there was in the former now known as the Electorate of Hesse a fundamental administrative reform Landgraviate, . The Bieber office - and with it Breitenborn / Lützel - was added to the newly formed district of Gelnhausen .
Modern Times
Breitenborn / Lützel was created in 1753 when the hamlet of Lützel and the village of Breitenborn were merged. At that time, Breitenborn / Lützel was part of the Bieber office of the County of Hanau-Münzenberg , which had itself been part of the since 1736 Landgraviate of Hessen-Kassel . In 1821 there was in the former now known as the Electorate of Hesse a fundamental administrative reform Landgraviate, . The Bieber office - and with it Breitenborn / Lützel - was added to the newly formed district of Gelnhausen .
Geographical location
Breitenborn / Lützel is surrounded by forest in the Spessart Nature Park in the Lützelbachtal , a tributary of the Beavers . The district road 893 connects the two suburbs Breitenborn and Lützel and connects them, in a north-east direction, with the next district Lanzingen.
Breitenborn / Lützel is surrounded by forest in the Spessart Nature Park in the Lützelbachtal , a tributary of the Beavers . The district road 893 connects the two suburbs Breitenborn and Lützel and connects them, in a north-east direction, with the next district Lanzingen.
Population:
- 1598: 15 households
- 1633: 18 households
- 1753: 30 households with 126 people (together with Lützel)
Religion:
| • 1885: | 222 Protestant (= 95.28%), 11 Catholic (= 4.72%) residents | |||
| • 1961: | 189 Protestant (= 79.08%), 47 Catholic (= 19.67%) residents |
Documents related to Nicholaus Nüchter and Anna Margaretha Kollerin:
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| Aerial photo of Lützel, Breitenborn, Lanzingen, Roßbach, Bieber |
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Breitenborn - Lützel All records below come from Archion |
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Johannes Koller and Paul Heinrich Koller 7 Nov 1699 entry 62 item 1916 |
Ulrich Neitzel:Transcription:
den 7. 9bris haben Johannes Koller, Paul Henrich Kollers p.m. hinterlassener ehleibl. Sohn zu Roßbach und Margaretha Seiffartin von Mittelsinn weyl:hl. Johann Seiffarten gewesener hochfürstl. h___ Schultheißen alda ehleibl. hinterlassener Tochter ihren offentl. Kirchgang gehalten, auch nach gehaltener Sermon copuliret worden.
Translation:
On the 7th of October Johannes Koller, surviving legitimate son of the late Paul Henrich Koller in Roßbach and Margaretha Seiffart from Mittelsinn, surviving legitimate daughter of the late Johann Seiffart, former princely h___ mayor there, had their public church visit and were married after held sermon.
Link for Roßbach in Meyers: https://www.meyersgaz.org/place/20629020
Link for Mittelsinn in Meyers: https://www.meyersgaz.org/place/20194061
Location: Mittelsinn is about 30 km east of Roßbach.
den 7. 9bris haben Johannes Koller, Paul Henrich Kollers p.m. hinterlassener ehleibl. Sohn zu Roßbach und Margaretha Seiffartin von Mittelsinn weyl:hl. Johann Seiffarten gewesener hochfürstl. h___ Schultheißen alda ehleibl. hinterlassener Tochter ihren offentl. Kirchgang gehalten, auch nach gehaltener Sermon copuliret worden.
Translation:
On the 7th of October Johannes Koller, surviving legitimate son of the late Paul Henrich Koller in Roßbach and Margaretha Seiffart from Mittelsinn, surviving legitimate daughter of the late Johann Seiffart, former princely h___ mayor there, had their public church visit and were married after held sermon.
Link for Roßbach in Meyers: https://www.meyersgaz.org/place/20629020
Link for Mittelsinn in Meyers: https://www.meyersgaz.org/place/20194061
Location: Mittelsinn is about 30 km east of Roßbach.
All records below come from Archion Kurhessen-Waldeck: Landeskirchliches Archiv Kassel > Gelnhausen > Bieber > KB 1709-1744
Niclaß Nichtern, a citizen at Breitenborn and Anna Margaretha are married.
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Translation Ulrich Neitzel:
Hello Kent, this one is a bit difficult because of the handwriting and because parts are missing in the fold. 13 October 1711
[N]iclaß Nüchtern with An-
[na] Margaretha Kollerin.
___ ___ ___ _
___ daughter.
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Hello Kent, glad that you had success in finding this record! Not much to translate, though...
28 September(?) (this is the baptismal date not the date of birth)
Johann Thomas Nüchtern
[Father] Niclaß Nüchtern
[Mother] Anna Margaretha
[Sponsor] Joh. Thomas N Nüchtern
[in the right column] 124. Breitenborn
Comments: Part of the lines are hidden in the fold to the left. - The month is not fully clear to me; the letter/number before "br" seems to be a 7 = Septem(bris). . For Octobris it should be "8br", like in the following entry.Kent:
Is the sponsor different than the birth person?
Ulrich Neitzel:Yes, the sponsor must be a different person, possibly an uncle or another relative. It was quite common that the child received the name of their baptismal sponsor(s).
The date given is probably the baptism, not the birth.
Johann Caspar Nüchtern birth:
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[No.] 160 Breitenborn
d. 29 9br = 29 November
Johann Caspar Nüchtern
Father: Niclaß Nüchtern
Mother: Anna Margareth[a]
Sponsor: Joh. Caspar Struk (?)
Niclaß Nüchtern sponsor at a birth:
The person born has the same surname as Niclaß Nüchtern's wife.
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Translation by Robert Seal:
Record nos. 190 and 191 are for a set of male twins, each with a different male baptismal sponsor. Note that each twin is named after his respective sponsor.Here is my interpretation and translation of these two records:
First twin:
Year 1715, on the 26th of January.
190. Lanzing[en].
[Ni]colaus Koller [child].
Velten Koller [father].
Magdalena [mother].
Nicolaus Nüchtern [baptismal sponsor].
Second twin:
On the same day.
191. Lanzing[en].
[Jo]hann Melchior Koller [child].
Velten Koller [father].
Magdalena [mother].
Joh[ann] Melchior S(c)h__? [baptismal sponsor].
Comments: "Velten" is a variant of the male name "Valentine".
It is helpful to the translator if you state where the record is from when you post your request because place names are challenging to decipher.
Ulrich: @Robert Seal_1 , you did very well with the name of the location - it is most probably Lanzingen, which is very close to Breitenborn, where Nicolaus Nüchtern is from.Kent:
Note: Since Anna Margaretha's maiden name is Koller, this set of twins could be related to her side of the family.
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Translation by Ulrich Neitzel:
same day [7 November 1715]
[name] Anna Christina Nüchter(in)
[father] Niclaß Nüchter
[mother] Anna Margaretha
[sponsor] Anna Christina Stock(in)
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Translation by Ulrich Neitzel:
200. Breitenborn
5 March 1718
[name] Gertraut Nüchter(in)
[father] Niclaß Nüchter
[mother] Anna Margaretha
[sponsor] Gertraut Koller(in)
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Johann Laurentis Nüchtern bap 16 Feb 1720 image 2054 |
Translation by Ulrich Neitzel:
249. Breitenborn16 February 1720
[name] Johann Laurentius Nüchter
[father] Niclaß Nüchter
[mother] Anna Margaretha
[sponsor] Joh. Laurentius Stock?
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173. Breitenborn
28 March 1720
Niclaß Nüchtern from [Brei]tenborn; age 33 years
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| Johann Laurentis Nuchtern death 6 Nov 1721 at 1, image 2136 |
The entry is somewhat ambiguous: directly above it says: Anno 1721, but no date is given (6 November refers to the entry above). Also the number 183. Breitenborn seems to belong to the entry above.
The text is: Johann Laurentius Nüchtern, little son of Niclaß Nüchtern; 1 year ___ ___ ___? I can't read the last line.