After the death of their first child Wihelm Scholl, Wendel and Maria Katharina Nüchter tried again the next year had another Wilhelm Scholl. This young man lived.
Wilhelm was born 23 November 1789 to Maria Katharina née Nücher and Wendel Scholl. Wilhelm married 10 April 1817 Anna Maria Wenz, who was born 24 Aug 1793 and died 28 Feb 1818. Anna Maria died 11 days after the birth of her first and only child. She was the only child of citizen and master shoemaker Johann Peter Wentz and his second wife Eva Elisabetha Scholl and half sister of Gottlieb Ratinger. After the death of his wife Wilhelm, widower, married 24 Nov 1818 Margaretha Weber, who was born 28 Feb 1796 and died 18 Jan 1881, second child of Georg Weber, Bürger and weaver and his wife Margarethe nee Süss.
What happened to Wilhelm's children?
Child of Anna Maria Wentz:
Wilhelm Scholl 17 Feb 1818 -1858
Children of Margaretha Weber:
Johann Martin Scholl 9 April 1820 - emigrated to America 1854
Christine Scholl 14 April 1822-1882
Ludwig Scholl 29 Aug 1824-1904
Jakob Scholl 3 Sep 1826- may have immigrated 5 Oct 1854
Simon Scholl 28 June 1829 - 1902
Katharina Scholl 11 Aug 1831; America
Margarethe Scholl 20 Jan 1834-1914
Philippine Scholl 8 Sep 1837-1913
What happened during their lifetime:
1789 French Revolution
1791 Mozart died
1803 Napoleonic Wars
1806 Sixteen German states established the Confederation of the Rhine, a confederation and protectorate of France.
Wilhelm was born 23 November 1789 to Maria Katharina née Nücher and Wendel Scholl. Wilhelm married 10 April 1817 Anna Maria Wenz, who was born 24 Aug 1793 and died 28 Feb 1818. Anna Maria died 11 days after the birth of her first and only child. She was the only child of citizen and master shoemaker Johann Peter Wentz and his second wife Eva Elisabetha Scholl and half sister of Gottlieb Ratinger. After the death of his wife Wilhelm, widower, married 24 Nov 1818 Margaretha Weber, who was born 28 Feb 1796 and died 18 Jan 1881, second child of Georg Weber, Bürger and weaver and his wife Margarethe nee Süss.
What happened to Wilhelm's children?
Child of Anna Maria Wentz:
Wilhelm Scholl 17 Feb 1818 -1858
Children of Margaretha Weber:
Johann Martin Scholl 9 April 1820 - emigrated to America 1854
Christine Scholl 14 April 1822-1882
Ludwig Scholl 29 Aug 1824-1904
Jakob Scholl 3 Sep 1826- may have immigrated 5 Oct 1854
Simon Scholl 28 June 1829 - 1902
Katharina Scholl 11 Aug 1831; America
Margarethe Scholl 20 Jan 1834-1914
Philippine Scholl 8 Sep 1837-1913
What happened during their lifetime:
1789 French Revolution
1791 Mozart died
1803 Napoleonic Wars
1806 Sixteen German states established the Confederation of the Rhine, a confederation and protectorate of France.
1810 Robert Schumann born
1813 Battle of Leipzig: The French army was encircled and forced to retreat from Leipzig in a battle in which some ninety thousand French and allied troops were killed or injured.
1827 Beethoven dies
What was Germany like?
During Wilhelm's lifetime Germany was not a nation but was comprised of nobility areas. The Margrave of Baden had control of Graben. It wasn't until 1871 that Germany united into a nation and even then it was really composed of a loose confederation. The 20th century was when Germany became a nation.
1813 Battle of Leipzig: The French army was encircled and forced to retreat from Leipzig in a battle in which some ninety thousand French and allied troops were killed or injured.
1827 Beethoven dies
What was Germany like?
During Wilhelm's lifetime Germany was not a nation but was comprised of nobility areas. The Margrave of Baden had control of Graben. It wasn't until 1871 that Germany united into a nation and even then it was really composed of a loose confederation. The 20th century was when Germany became a nation.
Documents related to Wilhelm Scholl:
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| Wilhelm Scholl 23 Nov 1789 bot left film 102078348 page 650 |
Translation by Robert Seal:
On the 23rd of November [1789] in the morning at 7:00 am born and on the 24th of the same month baptized: Wilhelm [Scholl].
Father: Wendel Scholl, the local citizen.
Mother: Maria Catharina, née Nüchterin.
Baptismal witnesses: (1) Johann Georg Cammerer, the local citizen and master blacksmith, and (2) his wife Catharina, née Süssin. (3) Christoph Zwecker, the local citizen and master joiner.
Right column: died 6 June 1856.
On the 23rd of November [1789] in the morning at 7:00 am born and on the 24th of the same month baptized: Wilhelm [Scholl].
Father: Wendel Scholl, the local citizen.
Mother: Maria Catharina, née Nüchterin.
Baptismal witnesses: (1) Johann Georg Cammerer, the local citizen and master blacksmith, and (2) his wife Catharina, née Süssin. (3) Christoph Zwecker, the local citizen and master joiner.
Right column: died 6 June 1856.
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| Christine Braun birth 29 Dec 1805 mother Jaobina Scholl film 102078348 page 843 |
Translation:
On the 29th of December [1805] early at 4:00 am born and on the 30th of the same month baptized: Christine [Braun].Father: Peter Braun, citizen and master joiner.
Mother: Jacobine, née Schollin.
Baptismal witnesses: (1) Christoph Scholl, citizen. (2) His wife Christine, née Schollin. (3) Jacob Rösch, citizen. (4) His wife Margaretha, née Zimmermännin.
Right column: died 11 January 1806.
Note: Jacobina Scholl KCCX-9SW, father is Johann Wendel Scholl
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| film 102078348 page 1073, marriage 1817 Pastor G Beck performed the marriage. |
Wilhelm Scholl marriage to Anna Maria Wenz 10 Apr 1817 the newly arrived local citizen Wilhelm Scholl legitimate unmarried son of the local citizen Wendel Scholl and his wife Maria Katharina born Nuchter, age 27.5 years and he is marrying Anna Maria Wenz legitimate unmarried daughter of the deceased local citizen and master shoemaker Johann Peter Wenz and his still living wife Eva Elisabetha Scholl, age 23 3/4.
Witnesses Peter Braun master joiner and Christoph Scholl local citizen
Translation by Robert Seal:
No. 5.
On the 10th of April [1817] midday at 11:00 am were married here and conjugally blessed the new budding citizen Wilhelm Scholl, legitimate unmarried son of the local citizen Wendel Scholl and his wife Maria Katharina, née Nüchterin, age 27 and 1/2 years, and with him Anna Maria Wenzin, legitimate unmarried daughter of the deceased local citizen and master shoemaker Johann Peter Wenz and his still living wife Eva Elisabetha, née Schollin, age 23 and 3/4 years.
Witnesses are: (1) Peter Braun, master joiner, and (2) Christoph Scholl, local citizen.
Graben, on the 10th of April 1817. T. G. Beck, pastor.
Translation:
no. 9 Philippine:
*Philippine had out of wedlock: [Katharina] Philippina, born 3 Jan 1861. [The asterisk at the beginning of this entry is referring you back to child no.9 (Philippine) above where you find a similar asterisk in the "Marriage" column with reference to "III, page 122" (I can't read the other number after the slash). I also can't read what is written under the child's birth date.]
Here is the link from Ancestry for the 1861 birth of Philippine Scholl's daughter, Katharina Philippina: https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=61242&h=834332&tid=&pid=&queryId=bef8912cdb779e8f3fe5989a484b5ccf&usePUB=true&_phsrc=XnJ834&_phstart=successSource
This is how I knew this child's first name was "Katharina" -- I still can't decipher what is actually written for this name in the record itself.
No. 5.
On the 10th of April [1817] midday at 11:00 am were married here and conjugally blessed the new budding citizen Wilhelm Scholl, legitimate unmarried son of the local citizen Wendel Scholl and his wife Maria Katharina, née Nüchterin, age 27 and 1/2 years, and with him Anna Maria Wenzin, legitimate unmarried daughter of the deceased local citizen and master shoemaker Johann Peter Wenz and his still living wife Eva Elisabetha, née Schollin, age 23 and 3/4 years.
Witnesses are: (1) Peter Braun, master joiner, and (2) Christoph Scholl, local citizen.
Graben, on the 10th of April 1817. T. G. Beck, pastor.
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| Wilhelm Scholl marriage to Margaretha Weber 24 Nov 1818 film 102078348 page 1076, |
2 marriage: Wilhelm Scholl marriage to Margaretha Weeber 24 Nov 1818, November 24 at 11:00 am were married Wilhelm Scholl local citizen and widower whose deceased wife was Anna Maria Wenz, he married Margaretha Weeber 22.5 years old legitimate unmarried daughter of the local citizen and master weaver Johann Georg Weeber and his wife Margaretha born Suess, witnesses Peter Suess and Philipp Martin Seeber local citizen.
Pastor G. Beck performed this marriage.
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| Christine Schollin 14 Apr 1822 film 102078348 page 961 top left |
Translation by Robert Seal:
No. 18. On the 14th of April [1822] in the morning at 9:00 am born and on the 16th of the same month baptized: Christine [Scholl]. Parents are the local citizen Wilhem Scholl, and his wife Margaretha, née Weeber.
No. 18. On the 14th of April [1822] in the morning at 9:00 am born and on the 16th of the same month baptized: Christine [Scholl]. Parents are the local citizen Wilhem Scholl, and his wife Margaretha, née Weeber.
Baptismal witnesses are: (1) Johann Martin Becker, local citizen and master weaver. (2) His wife Magdalena, née Seeber. (3) Philipp Krauß, local citizen. (4) His wife Margaretha, née Scholl.
Graben, on the 16th of April 1822. T. G. Beck, pastor.
Graben, on the 16th of April 1822. T. G. Beck, pastor.
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| Wilhelm Scholl 1789 -1856 family book film 102118620 page 1015 |
Translation by Robert Seal:
The children written below child 9, Philippine, are the illegitimate children of three of the Scholl daughters, no. 3 Christine, no. 8 Margaretha, and no. 9 Philippine.
no. 3 Christine:
NB [note well]: Christine had out of wedlock: (1) Wilhelm, born 17 Dec 1844. (2) Christina, born 11 Jun 1846. Both children were legitimized: see Marriage Book: 1848, no. 13.
no. 8 Margaretha:
NB [note well]: Margaretha had out of wedlock: Katharina, born 5 May 1858. Acknowledged __________ Scholl, see II, page 327. [If you are able to find Family Register II, page 327, this will probably tell you who the father is.]
Robert Seal: Re: Your question: Here is the Family Register II, page 327 for Margaretha: Does it tell the name of the father?
Yes, the father of Margaretha Scholl's illegitimate daughter, Katharina (born 1858) is Karl Friedrich Scholl, born 11 Apr 1833, died 19 Dec 1878. Family Register I, 216. Occupation: mason.
The children written below child 9, Philippine, are the illegitimate children of three of the Scholl daughters, no. 3 Christine, no. 8 Margaretha, and no. 9 Philippine.
no. 3 Christine:
NB [note well]: Christine had out of wedlock: (1) Wilhelm, born 17 Dec 1844. (2) Christina, born 11 Jun 1846. Both children were legitimized: see Marriage Book: 1848, no. 13.
no. 8 Margaretha:
NB [note well]: Margaretha had out of wedlock: Katharina, born 5 May 1858. Acknowledged __________ Scholl, see II, page 327. [If you are able to find Family Register II, page 327, this will probably tell you who the father is.]
Robert Seal: Re: Your question: Here is the Family Register II, page 327 for Margaretha: Does it tell the name of the father?
Yes, the father of Margaretha Scholl's illegitimate daughter, Katharina (born 1858) is Karl Friedrich Scholl, born 11 Apr 1833, died 19 Dec 1878. Family Register I, 216. Occupation: mason.
*Philippine had out of wedlock: [Katharina] Philippina, born 3 Jan 1861. [The asterisk at the beginning of this entry is referring you back to child no.9 (Philippine) above where you find a similar asterisk in the "Marriage" column with reference to "III, page 122" (I can't read the other number after the slash). I also can't read what is written under the child's birth date.]
Here is the link from Ancestry for the 1861 birth of Philippine Scholl's daughter, Katharina Philippina: https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=61242&h=834332&tid=&pid=&queryId=bef8912cdb779e8f3fe5989a484b5ccf&usePUB=true&_phsrc=XnJ834&_phstart=successSource
This is how I knew this child's first name was "Katharina" -- I still can't decipher what is actually written for this name in the record itself.
no. 8 Margaretha:
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| Margaretha Scholl 1834 familybook film 102118620 page 1241 |
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| Wilhelm Scholl burial 8 Jun 1856 film 102550540 page 555 2 |
Translation by Robert Seal:
No. 17.
In the year of Christ 1856, on the 6th of June at night going on 12:00 midnight died here and was on the 8th of the same month midday at 3:00 pm buried by the undersigned pastor here: Wilhelm Scholl, citizen and farmer here, age: 66 years, 6 month, and 13 days. His surviving widow is Margaretha, née Weber. His deceased parents were Wendel Scholl, citizen and farmer here, and Maria Katharina Nuchter, his wife.
Witnesses: Simon Becker, citizen and farmer here. Adam Wendel Herbster, citizen and farmer here.
Graben, on the 8th of June 1856. G. Crecelius, pastor,
Right margin: "Ehemann" = husband [or married man].
No. 17.
In the year of Christ 1856, on the 6th of June at night going on 12:00 midnight died here and was on the 8th of the same month midday at 3:00 pm buried by the undersigned pastor here: Wilhelm Scholl, citizen and farmer here, age: 66 years, 6 month, and 13 days. His surviving widow is Margaretha, née Weber. His deceased parents were Wendel Scholl, citizen and farmer here, and Maria Katharina Nuchter, his wife.
Witnesses: Simon Becker, citizen and farmer here. Adam Wendel Herbster, citizen and farmer here.
Graben, on the 8th of June 1856. G. Crecelius, pastor,
Right margin: "Ehemann" = husband [or married man].
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| Wilhelm Scholl death 15 Nov 1858 age 40 film 102550540 page 555 2.jpg* |
Translation by Robert Seal:
No. 62.
1858, on the 15th of November midday at 12:00 noon died here, 40 years, 9 months old, and was on the 17th of the same month midday at 2:00 pm buried here by Vicar Ewald of Spöck: Wilhelm Scholl, local citizen and day laborer, with left-behind widow Barbara, née Vogel; his parents were: Wilhelm Scholl, local citizen and farmer, and his wife Anna Maria, née Wentz.
Witnesses of the burial were: Ludwig Scholl, citizen and day laborer here, and Johann Heilmann, citizen and farmer here.
Graben, on the 17th of November 1858. _? Braun, pastor.
Right margin: "Ehemann" = husband [or married man]. Written under that is: "40" [which is Wilhelm's age at death].
1858, on the 15th of November midday at 12:00 noon died here, 40 years, 9 months old, and was on the 17th of the same month midday at 2:00 pm buried here by Vicar Ewald of Spöck: Wilhelm Scholl, local citizen and day laborer, with left-behind widow Barbara, née Vogel; his parents were: Wilhelm Scholl, local citizen and farmer, and his wife Anna Maria, née Wentz.
Witnesses of the burial were: Ludwig Scholl, citizen and day laborer here, and Johann Heilmann, citizen and farmer here.
Graben, on the 17th of November 1858. _? Braun, pastor.
Right margin: "Ehemann" = husband [or married man]. Written under that is: "40" [which is Wilhelm's age at death].