Johann Martin Scholl 1668 - 1723

Johann Martin Scholl was born 8 Mar 1668 to Hans Matthias Scholl and Eva Meinzer. Graben Parish Register;  Johann Martin, son of Johann Matthias Scholl the lawyer, married Anna Margaretha, daughter of Johann Christoph Weydmann the lawyer. Martin married Anna Margaretha Weidmann 10 November 1696 in Graben. They had three children. Margaretha Weidmann died 30 June 1704 or 1 year 3.5 months after the birth of her 3rd child. According to her death record the couple had 5 children. We have located only three. Martin then married Anna Sabina Wentz. Martin died 18 Aug 1723. Martin lived to be 55 birth according to his death record. 

Note: Johann Martin has a large posterity.

What happened to their children:
First marriage
1. Maria Eva Scholl 1698 Dec
2. Johann Jacob Scholl 1701-1788 married Eva Elisabetha Lind 29 Feb 1724, eight children 

    1. Maria Siddonia 1725-1754 GZJ3-FVV married Johann Christian Bickel 2 Jun 1744, 5 children

    2. Johann Jacob 1726-1786  married Anna Maria née Brauchin, (see birth of their son below) Jacob was a council member, and master cooper. (see doc below)

    3. Maria Margaretha Scholl 1728–1797  GZJ3-FVV married Johann Adam Kohler 30 Jan 1748, Son Johann Martin Kohlera b 1759 GZJ3-FVV

    4.  Maria Barbara Scholl 1731. She married Georg Jacob Becker and they had 6 children. See doc below

    5. Maria Elisabetha 1734-1734

    6. Johann Balthasar Scholl 1736–1794  . He married Anna Elisabetha Lind 1748-1816 12 July 1763 and they had nine children. Balthasar died 19 May 1794. Balthsasar is one of our direct line ancestors. See doc below.   His FS ID no is: KGCQ-45N

    7. Catharina Barbara Scholl 17839-1742

    8. Matthias Scholl 1744-1754  had a son named Johann Jacob Scholl b 1773 died 1836 (see doc below)

3. Scholl infant 1703-1703 born and died 16 March

Second marriage to Martin Anna Sabina Wentz
1. Anna Elisabeth Scholl 8 July 1707-1728 born Graben (FS has other info which not correct see birth below) married Johann Wilhelm Metzger 17 Jun 1724 and had two children
2. Anna Margaretha Scholl 1709-1709 born 26 Nov, died 8 Dec
3. Christina Scholl 1711-1711 born 26 Jun died 21 July
Johann Wendel Scholl 1712-1745 married Anna Margaretha Lind,    no children
4. Eva Margaretha Scholl 1715-1759 married Johann Ulrich Roth 256 Oct 1734, two children.

Who taught their children in Graben?
1864 Philipp Landmann
1685 Johann Kaspar Seefels
1687 Johann Georg Habner
1698 Johann Valentin Klobe
1708-1724 Johann Käpplinger

Graben Mayor's or Sheriff's during their lives:

1668 Hans Andreas Maintzer

1671 Jakob Süss

1691 Johann Mathis Zaisloff

1700 Christoph Keller

1706-1728 Peter Keller (Bruder d.Ch.)

 

Graben Pastors in their lifetime:

1663-1671 Sebastian Aepinus Aping 

1671-1674 Johann Georg Pantzhaff von Urach in Württemberg (Württemberg was devastated in the Thirty Years’ War (1618–48) and fell prey to French invasions from 1688 until 1693 during the War of the Grand Alliance. Yet the country enjoyed progressive government. Compulsory education was introduced in 1649.) (Born in Urach Württemberg , studies in Strasbourg, 1652 pastor in Pfulgriesheim, 1656 in Remchingen with the branches Wilferdingen and Singen, 1666 in Eggenstein, 1667 in Langensteinbach, 1671 - 1674 in Graben , the Evangelical Church of Baden called Parzav or Parzhaff)

1674-1677 Johann Oswald Crusius (Crusig) von Ravensburg (Following the Reformation a "paritetic" government emerged in Ravensburg meaning an equal distribution of public offices between the Catholic and Protestant confession. This system was approved at the end of the Thirty Years' War in the Peace of Westphalia (1648).

1677-1682 Immanuel Rösch von Geislingen (The fortified Helfenstein castle existed since 1100.) (In 1644 Hochstetten had its own pastor, named Joh. Friedr. Buß; In 1677 there was Immanuel Rösch.)

1682-1692 Konrad Stadmann von Durlach (Durlach was chosen by the margrave Charles II in 1565 as residence of the rulers of Baden-Durlach, and retained this distinction though it was almost totally destroyed by the French in 1689.)

1692-1698 Philipp Lindemann von Spöck vicariando versehen worden (Translation: Pfarrer Lindemann came from Spöck to serve in Graben)

1698-1700 Johann Philipp Bauderer (Born 1645 in Leonberg, 1700 in Graben, 1665 Masters , 1671 pastor in Winnenden, 1682 in Freudenstein, 1691 in Backnang, 1698 up to his death in 1700 in Graben )

1700-1703 Johann Christoph Blum

1703-1706 Joh. Alb. Obermüller (born in 1666 in Langenburg † died in1729 Liedolsheim, 1703 in Graben , 1706 in Brötzingen, 1719 up to his death in 1729 pastor in Liedolsheim) (Johnn had a  son who was the treasurer and later writer Christian Obermüller and his II. wife Dorothea Meerwein and this couple had a son: Obermüller, Friedrich Christian)

1706-1714 Ernst Friedrich Weber (or Wider, a franc meaning a Franconian

1714-1719 Daniel Niklas ( born in Nördlingen † died 1719 in Graben, 1695 deacon, 1701 pastor in Aalen)
1719-1738 Andreas Weber, Alsatua (an Alsatian)

Documents related to Johann Martin Scholl:

Hans Martin Scholl birth 8 March 1668 film 4137289 page 214

Translation by Robert Seal:

Date: 8 March [1668].
Child: Hanß Martin. + [= died (at some point in the future but not necessarily as an infant or child)].
Parents: Hanß Mat[thei]s Scholl [and] Eva, wife.
Baptismal sponsors: Martin Moß [or Moss] together with wife; Hans Conrad Heil, together with the wife. 

Pastor: The Graben Pastor is Sebastian Aepinus Aping from 1663-1671

Martin Scholl sponsor film 004137289 page 236

Translation by Robert Seal:
Date: born on 26 December [1687] at night between 11:00 pm and 12:00 midnight and baptized on 27 [December 1687], the Feast of St. John the Evangelist, at 12:00 noon.
Parents: Martin Kober, _______________?, a day laborer, wife, Elisabetha.
Baptismal sponsors: Christoff Camerer [sic] and wife. Martin Scholl, an unmarried person. Susanna, unmarried daughter of Wendel C____? 

Martin Scholl sponsor 1689 film 004137289 page 238

Translation by Robert Seal:
Date: born on the 8th of October [1689] between 12 o'clock and 1 o'clock [no indication of am or pm] and baptized on the 12th of October [1689] in the local church at Graben by the pastor of Hochstetten because the pastor at Graben . . . [I can't decipher the remainder but it appears the local pastor was away for some reason and I see the word "Krieg" = war].
Child: Eva Margretha.
Parents: Jacob Metzger, wife Eva Catharina, née Zimmermännin.
Baptismal sponsors: Hans Endris Rösch and his wife; Martin Scholl, unmarried status; and maiden Anna Christina, the miller's daughter from Graben.

Ulrich Neitzel: The end of the sentence in the date column is: ...weilen Herr Pfarrer von Graben wegen des Kriegs nicht al[l]da wohnen können. = because the pastor of Graben cannot live/be there because of the war. "The war" was apparently the so-called "Nine Years' War" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Years%27_War) between France and a coalition of European forces that led to a devastation of thousands of villages and towns in southwest Germany including the margraviate of Baden.

Pastor in Graben: from 1682-1690 Konrad Stadmann von Durlach. Durlach was chosen by the margrave Charles II in 1565 as residence of the rulers of Baden-Durlach, and retained this distinction though it was almost totally destroyed by the French in 1689. Pastor Stadmann served in Graben from March 1682 until 9 Aug 1690 when his handwriting ends. From 1691 up to his death in 1705 he was the deacon in Pforzheim.  After this because of gloomy times the service has been provided by the pastors of Spöck vicariando, named Zand and Lindemann, after which own pastors were set again.  

Note: On 2 March 1689 Count of Tessé torched Heidelberg; on 8 March Montclar levelled Mannheim. Oppenheim and Worms were finally destroyed on 31 May, followed by Speyer on 1 June, and Bingen on 4 June. In all, French troops burnt over 20 substantial towns as well as numerous villages. (Speyer is 20 miles north of Graben.)

 

Johann Martin Scholl to Margaretha Weidmann 1st marriage 10 Nov 1696 film 102078348 page 185

 

 

 

Translation by Robert Seal:
On the 10th of November [1696], after holding a wedding sermon, were married Johann Martin, legitimate son of the late Johann Mattheiß Schollen, former lawyer, and Anna Margaretha, legitimate daughter of Johann Christoph Weÿdmann, lawyer.
Alternative translation moving the verb to the end:
On the 10th of November [1696], after holding a wedding sermon, Johann Martin, legitimate son of the late Johann Mattheiß Schollen, former lawyer, and Anna Margaretha, legitimate daughter of Johann Christoph Weÿdmann, lawyer, were married.
My comments: The first translation follows the word order in the record more closely. The second translation sounds "better" to our English ears.Which do you prefer?
Graben Pastor The Graben Pastor who performed the marriage of Johann Martin and Anna Margaretha Weidmann was Johann Alb. Obermüller. He served from 1703-1706.

Note: Note in this record it refers to Matthias Scholl b 1636.

Johann Jacob Scholl b 9 Apr 1701 widowed film 004137289 page 244

Translation by Robert Seal:
Saturday, the 9th of April [1701], a liitle boy was born and on the 10th [of April 1701] was baptized.
Parents: Martin Scholl and Margaretha, his wife.
Name [of the child]: Jacob.
Baptismal sponsors: Jacob Metzger and his wife. Hanß Georg Werner, the miller here, and his wife.

Notes: Jacob Metzger is the fifth child of Hans Reinhard Metzger. Hans Reinhard married Anna Dorothea about 1652. Jaob married Eva Catharina Zimmermann about 1685 and they had four children. Jacob was born 9 November 1663 and died 23 Sep 1729 in Graben.

My comment: I checked a 1701 calendar and 9 April did fall on a Saturday.  

Margaretha Weidmann death 30 June 1704 film 4137289 page 402

Translation by Robert Seal:
On the 30th of June [1704] Anna Margaretha Weidmann, Martin Scholl's wife, died in childbirth, age 28 years, 8 months. 7 years, 8 months _____ 4 children: 2 alive, 2 dead, and the 5th died. 1 little son is still alive.
Clarification by Robert Seal:
You said that Anna Margaretha Weidmann died 3.5 months after the unnamed child was born and died on 16 March 1703. But Anna Margaretha died on 30 June 1704, so she died 1 year and 3.5 months after this child. The reason I asked about this couple's children is because her death record indicates that she actually had 5 children during this marriage which lasted 7 years, 7 months, and 20 days. It appears she died in childbirth giving birth to her fifth child.

Analysis: As written in the record the mother died from "Kinds nöthe[n] = Kindsnöten = labor pains. I have interpreted this as "childbirth" in my translation. And because she previously had given birth to four children, 2 alive and 2 dead, the phrase "den 5ten gestorben" (= the fifth died), it would seem that she died in childbirth giving birth to her fifth child, who also died.
If you enlarge the record, the phrase at the end of the second line, which at first glance appears to be "7 Jahr 1 Monat", looks to be "7 Jahr 8 Monat" (albeit a very thin "8") which might be referencing the length of the marriage of this couple which was 7 years, 7 months, and 20 days = 7 years, 8 months.

Robert Seal: Mr. G: Since it appears that two of the children were either born dead or died very soon after birth, be sure to search both birth/baptismal records and death/burials records for the period November 1696 to June 1704.

Johann Martin Scholl 2nd marriage to Anna Sabrina 26 Feb 1705

Translation by Robert Seal:

On the 26th of [ _____ 1705] Martin Scholl, council member and widower here, with Anna Sabina Wentzin, legitimate daughter of Jost Wentzen, council member here, [were married].
Question: No month appears in the record. What is your thinking on making the date 26 February 1705?
Comment: Note spelling of "Sabina" (no "r") in the record.
But without a month recorded in the record itself and with the record before being in the month of February and the record after being in the month of June, the marriage in your record could have taken place on 26 Feb, 26 Mar, 26 Apr, or 26 May. Note in the marriage records for the year 1706 on this same page that the scribe repeated the month of April for each record. So in your 1705 marriage record, did the scribe forget to write the month or did he mean that it also took place in February?

Anna Elisabeth Scholl b 8 July 1707 1st child second marriage film 102078348 page 217

Translation by Robert Seal:
Child and birth/baptism: Anna Elisabetha, born 8 July [1707], baptized 9 July [1707].
Parents: Martin Scholl and wife Sabina.
Godparents: Friedrich Christoff Ziegler, butcher, with wife; Jacob Metzger with wife.
My comments: There is some Latin in the first column after the "8 Julÿ" which I am unable to decipher. Then it reads: "et sequentes 9 renata Anna Elisabetha" = and on the following [day] 9 [Julÿ] was baptized Anna Elisabetha.

Maria Scholl birth 1698004137289 page 241  first marriage

Translation by Robert Seal:

Date: born 26 October [1698].
Child: Maria Eva.
Parents: Johann Martin Scholl, wife Anna Margaretha.
Baptismal sponsors: Johann Georg Werner with wife Anna Maria; Jacob Me(t)zger with wife Eva Catharina.
My comment: I read the birth date as 26 October. The record for this child in FamilySearch Family Tree records the date as 16 October. These are the same baptismal sponsors as we saw in Jacob Scholl's 1701 birth/baptismal record.

Infant scholl death 1703 004137289 page 401 first marriage

Translation by Robert Seal:
Friday on the 16th of March [1703] Martin Scholl stillborn this month was quietly buried.
My comments: The abbreviation "d. m." in the record: "d. m. = d. M. = dieses Monats = (of) this month. The phrase "in der Stille" = quietly (e.g., without the ringing of bells at a funeral or wedding).

Martin Scholl death 18 Aug 1723 film 102078348 page 327

Translation by Robert Seal:
67. On the 18th of August [1723], Hanß Martin Scholl died, juryman here and widower, who thereafter with the ringing of all bells, singing, and a funeral sermon was buried in the usual manner. 

Note: the ringing of all bells is an honor, rarely used.

Translation by Robert Seal:
Right-hand margin: [record no.] 67. Hanß Martin "Schol."
On the 18th of August [1723] Hanß Martin Scholl, juryman here and widower, died, who thereafter, with ringing of all bells, singing, and a funeral sermon [with] customary measures, was buried. Age: 55 years, 5 months, and 10 days.
My comment: I hypothesize that it was at this point the pastor/priest found Hanß Georg's 1668 birth/baptismal record in the parish register and marked it with the + symbol. This is probably why his age at death was calculated perfectly from his birth date.
Translation by Annette Adams:
Hans Martin School, a widower, died the 18th of August, 1723. They rang all the bells, sang songs, and did a burial sermon, and he was buried the usual way. Hans Martin was 55 years old, 5 months, and 10 days. 

Johann Wendel Scholl 1712-1745 death 25 Dec 1745 Fil, 004137289 page 588

Translation by Robert Seal:
On the 25th of December 1745, Master Wendel Scholl, local citizen and shoemaker?, died after suffering a fourteen-day feverish illness, so thereafter the following day was buried with the ringing of the bell, singing, and a funeral sermon, at the age of 33 years. 

Georg Scholl spon 1749 left film 102078348 page 378

Translation by Robert Seal:
1749, on the 12th of January, a little son of Christian Bickel, local citizen and blacksmith, from his wife Sidonia, née Schollin, was born to the world, so thereafter was baptized and was named Joh[ann] Gabriel.
Baptismal sponsors are Mr. Gabriel Geibel, _______? chief forester here, with his wife, George Scholl with his wife, and Adam Wendel Cammerer with his wife.
Left margin: + [died].

Thomas Nuchtern spon 1751 film 102078348 page 386

Translation by Robert Seal:
On the 2nd of December 1751, a little daughter of Johann Adam Koehler, citizen and farmer, from his wife Maria Margretha, née Schollin, was born to the world, so thereafter was baptized and was named Eva Elisabetha. 

Baptismal sponsors are Thomas Nichtern, non-citizen resident, and Christoph Wenz, citizen and farmer, with their wives.
Left margin: died 8 July 1830. 

Notes: Johann Adam Köhler (1723-1771) married Maria Margaretha Scholl 30 Jan 1748. Eva Elisabetha was their 4th child. Maria's parents are Johann Jacob Scholl b 1701 and Eva Elisabetha Lind b 1705, both in Graben.   

Thomas Nuchtern  1751 film 102078348 page 386

Translation by Robert Seal:
On the 2nd of December 1751, a little daughter of Johann Adam Koehler, citizen and farmer, from his wife Maria Margretha, née Schollin, was born to the world, so thereafter was baptized and was named Eva Elisabetha. 

Baptismal sponsors are Thomas Nichtern, non-citizen resident, and Christoph Wenz, citizen and farmer, with their wives.Left margin: died 8 July 1830

Thomas Nuchtern 29 Nov 1754 fil 102078348 page 395

Translation by Robert Seal:
On the 29th of November 1754, a pair of twins, two little sons, of Jo[hann] Adam Koehler, citizen and farmer, from his wife Maria Margaretha, née Schollin, were born to the world, the first alive, the other dead, he [the first twin] thereafter was baptized and named Friedr[ich] Jacob. 

Baptismal sponsors are: Christoph Wenz, citizen and farmer, [and] Thomas Nichtern, non-citizen resident, with their wives. 

Note well: Of the dead little son, he was thereafter brought to the burial by the midwife in the evening at the ringing of the prayer bell.
Comment: The note at the end was challenging but I think it gives you a general sense of what occurred with the twin that was stillborn.

Barbara Scholl spon bot left film 102078348 page 427

Translation by Robert Seal:
On the 12th of July [1762], in the night after 11:00 pm was born and on the 14th [of July 1762] was baptized Maria Catharina Roeschin.
Parents: Johann Georg Roesch, the local citizen, and his wife Maria Elisabetha, née Schollin.
Baptismal sponsors: Jacob Becker, the local citizen and juryman, [and] his wife Barbara, née Schollin. Margaretha Wernerin, surviving widow of the late Michael Werner, former citizen at Rußheim.
Right margin: + [died]
Lower left corner: Quarterly report. 

Note: Barbara Scholl's parents are Johann Jakob Scholl 1701-1788 and Eva Elisabetha Lind 1705-1776. Barbara was born 22 Sep 1731. She had a brother named Johann Balthasar Scholl 1736-1794 who is directly related to our Scholl line. Barbara married Georg Jacob Becker 20 Nov 1753 and they had six children. Her death date is unknown. 

Barbara Scholl sponsor  film 102078348 page 430

Translation by Robert Seal:
On the 6th of February [1763], in the morning early after 5:00 am was born and on the 7th [of February 1763] was baptized Philipp.
Parents: Wilhelm Krauß, the local citizen, and his wife Anna Elisabetha, née Lindin.
Baptismal sponsors: Jacob Becker, the local citizen and juryman, [and] his wife Maria Barbara, née Schollin. Christoph Braun, the local citizen and brother-in-law, [and] his wife Margaretha, née Lindin.

Scholl spon 1767 film 102078348 page 457

Translation by Marion Wolfert
Born on the 20 Oct 1767 and christened on the 22 Oct 1767 was
Margaretha SÜß(in)
Parents: Andreas SÜß, local citizen and his wife Eva Elisabetha nee CAMMER(in)
Witnesses are: Balthasar Scholl, local citizen and his wife Elisabetha nee LIND(in), Peter Nagel, local citizen and his wife Margaretha Barbara nee Zimmermann(in) 

Georg Jacob Scholl birth left middle15 July 1773 film 102078348 page 561

Translation Robert Seal:
On the 15th of July [1773], in the morning at 4:00 am born and on the 16th of the same month baptized: Georg Jacob [Scholl].
Father: young Jacob Scholl, the local citizen, council member, and master cooper.
Mother: Anna Maria, née Brauchin.
Baptismal witnesses: (1) Emanuel Roesch, the local citizen and widower. (2) Esther, née Gamerin, surviving widow of the late Martin Süß, former citizen and master baker here. 

Note: Jacob Scholl is the second child of Johann Martin Scholl b 1668.

Catharina Scholl b 26 Aug 1797 upper left father Jacob film 102078348 page 689

Translation by Robert Seal:
On the 26th of August [1797] midday at 11:00 am born and on the 27th of the same month baptized: Catharina [Scholl].
Father: Johann Jacob Scholl, the local citizen and wine tavern proprietor. (owner of a business or property)
Mother: Catharina, née Kemmin.
Baptismal witnesses: (1) Jacob Friderich Herbster, the local citizen, and (2) his wife Eva Elisabetha, née Herbsterin. (3) Carl Ludiwg Raicher, the local citizen and surgeon.

Note: Surgeon Carl Ludwig Raicher was born 16 May 1775. He married Margaretha Lind 25 April 1797 and they had 10 children. FS ID: K8Z3-P69 Carl is related to us through the Wenz family. He died 15 Oct 1814 in Graben. He was 39 years old. 

Note: I think this Johann Jacob is the son of Matthias b 1744