What happened to Christine's children?
1. Lydia Zimmermann 29 Nov 1847 to 24 Dec 1938 married Jacob Süss 1851. They married 28 Nov in Graben
2. Christian Zimmermann 18 March 1848 - deceased/married Maria Catherina Huettner. They had 2 children
Documents relating to Christine Scholl:
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| Christina Scholl birth 7 Nov 1812 film 102078348 page 895 |
Born on the 7th of November [1812] in the morning between 7:00 am and 8:00 am, and baptized on the 9th of the same [month].
No. 38. Christine.
Father: Philipp Scholl, citizen and master mason here.
Mother: Christine, née Kraußin.
Baptismal witnesses:
(1) Jacob Werner, citizen and master tailor here.
(2) His wife Magdalena, née Herbsterin.
(3) Philipp Brauch, the local citizen and master cooper.
(4) His wife Elisabetha, née Speckin.
[Pastor's signature].
The Pastor in Graben:1808-1814 L. Chr. Sachs. Pastor Sachs was born 1780 in Karlsruhe and died in 1850 in Karlsruhe . He spent 1 year as court and city vicar in Karlsruhe, 1 1/2 years field preacher in Preussen, 6 1/2 years pastor in Graben , 7 years court deacon in Bruchsal , and finally 1821 2nd parish priest and dean of the Landiöcese Karlsruhe. Pastor Sachs’s last entry in Graben was Oct 13 1814.
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| Christine Scholl marriage to Zimmerman 11 March 1845102550540 p 155 |
No. 7. 1845 on the 11th of March, with official permission "d. d." Karlsruhe on the 20th of February 1845, no. 3328, were legitimately married here Christoph Zimmermann, widowed local citizen, with Christine Scholl, legitimate daughter of the local citizen Philipp Scholl and Christine Krauß. Witnesses: (1) Wilhelm Metzger; (2) Michel Wentz; both from here.
Graben, on the 11th of March 1845. [Pastor's signature]
My comment: The "official permission" presumably refers to something akin to a marriage license which was obtained on 20 Feb 1845 and numbered "3328" from the jurisdiction of Karlsruhe. I'm not sure about the abbreviation "d. d." but it occurs in all three records on this page. Ernest Thode, German-English Genealogical Dictionary, defines "d. d." as Latin for "de dato" = on this date.
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| Philipp Scholl 1785-1858 Family Book, film 102118620 page 1013 |
Translation of Familienbuch by Robert Seal:
(1) After "Philippe Scholl": bin Maurer = is a mason.
(2) Child number 1 of this couple is Christine,
(1) After "Philippe Scholl": bin Maurer = is a mason.
(2) Child number 1 of this couple is Christine,
Note that Christine has a parenthetical (NB) after her name. This is a footnote marker telling the reader to see the same footnote marker at the bottom of the page.
At the bottom of the page it says: NB. Christine hatte unehelich: Christine = Christine had an illegitimate [child]: Christine.
The child, Christine, was born 10 Feb 1835, and died 22 Feb 1835
At the bottom of the page it says: NB. Christine hatte unehelich: Christine = Christine had an illegitimate [child]: Christine.
The child, Christine, was born 10 Feb 1835, and died 22 Feb 1835
Additional note from Ulrich Neitzel:I read the writing after the name of Scholl, Philipp as "B. u. Maurer", "B." being the common abbreviation for "Bürger" = citizen. So I would interpret it as "citizen and mason".
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| FamilyBook I page 300 Christina b 1812 film 102118620 page 1052 |
Translation of Familienbuch by Charlotte Noelle Champenois
- Christoph Zimmermann (the housefather) was a weaver (Weber).
- His first wife is listed as Christine Becker.
- Christoph Zimmermann and Christine Scholl's 5 children are Ludwig, Lydia, Christian, Magdalena, and a stillborn son (Knäblein todtgeboren).
- Christine (child 2) emigrated to America in 1854 (Wanderte im J[ahr] 1854 nach Amerika).
- The heading labels are Names (Nahmen), Born (Geboren), Married (Getraut), and Died (Gestorben). However, notes are sometimes added that don't fit in these headings, such as Christine's 1854 emigration.
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| Christoph Zimmermann death at 66 9 Mar 1869 film 102550542 page 111 |
Translation by Robert Seal:
No. 6.
In the year 1869, on the 9th of March at night before 12:00 midnight died here and was on the 12th of March in the morning at 9:00 am buried by the undersigned [pastor]: Christoph Zimmermann, citizen and "Krautschneider" here, 66 years, 7 months, and 19 days old, husband of Christina, née Scholl. His parents were Martin Zimmermann, the late citizen and farmer here, and the late Magdalena, née Süß.
No. 6.
In the year 1869, on the 9th of March at night before 12:00 midnight died here and was on the 12th of March in the morning at 9:00 am buried by the undersigned [pastor]: Christoph Zimmermann, citizen and "Krautschneider" here, 66 years, 7 months, and 19 days old, husband of Christina, née Scholl. His parents were Martin Zimmermann, the late citizen and farmer here, and the late Magdalena, née Süß.
Witnesses: Johann Philipp Krauß and Wilhelm Werner, both citizens and farmers here.
Graben, on the 12th of March 1869. Zimmern, pastor.
Comment: "Krautschneider" = cabbage cutter.
Graben, on the 12th of March 1869. Zimmern, pastor.
Comment: "Krautschneider" = cabbage cutter.
Notes: Robert Seal:Yes, this is the first time I've come across "Krautschneider".
See the following link about the occupation "Krautschneider": https://www.geschichtewiki.wien.gv.at/Krautschneider
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Something to think about: Krautschneider is a seasonal job; given Christoph Zimmermann's age at death of 66 years, maybe this was something he did part-time in retirement.
Herb Cutter: In autumn, when the cabbage heads were brought into the houses to be stored, the cabbage cutters (also: cabbage slicers) began their work, cutting the cabbage into the standing barrels provided and adding the necessary ingredients to make the sauerkraut out of it. The cutting was done with six-knife planes. This seasonal work was usually carried out by external workers (especially from the Montafon), with the men usually dividing up a larger area among themselves so as not to compete with each other. The cabbage cutters wore a wide coat and a wide-brimmed felt hat, and carried their tools in a leather bag or knapsack that they carried with a shoulder strap. See the following link about the occupation "Krautschneider": https://www.geschichtewiki.wien.gv.at/Krautschneider
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Something to think about: Krautschneider is a seasonal job; given Christoph Zimmermann's age at death of 66 years, maybe this was something he did part-time in retirement.
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| Christine Scholl death 24 Dec 1893 film 102118620 page 625 |
Translation by Robert Seal:
Number: 51.
Burial date/time: 31 August [1893], 1 o'clock in the afternoon.
Death date: 29 [August 1893].
Deceased: Christina Zimmermann, née Scholl, widow of the deceased Christoph Zimmermann, weaver here and _____? tailor.
Age: 81 years, 1 month, 22 days.
Remarks: [Family book] I, 300. (see above)
[Pastor's signature}: Zimmern.
[Note below signature]: Year 1893 closed with 51 entries.
My comment: Given Christina's birth date of 7 Nov 1812, her age at death is incorrect in this record and should be: 80 years, 9 months, 22 days.
Number: 51.
Burial date/time: 31 August [1893], 1 o'clock in the afternoon.
Death date: 29 [August 1893].
Deceased: Christina Zimmermann, née Scholl, widow of the deceased Christoph Zimmermann, weaver here and _____? tailor.
Age: 81 years, 1 month, 22 days.
Remarks: [Family book] I, 300. (see above)
[Pastor's signature}: Zimmern.
[Note below signature]: Year 1893 closed with 51 entries.
My comment: Given Christina's birth date of 7 Nov 1812, her age at death is incorrect in this record and should be: 80 years, 9 months, 22 days.