Is there proof of who Barbara and Joss Scholl's children were?
Proof 1: In 1658 a child: Hanß Adam was born to his parents: Hanß Conrad Heil and wife Jacobea Cammerer. The baptismal sponsors were: Adam Rausch and his wife; Barbara Schollin and her son Hanß Matthauß Scholl. This is definite proof that Hans Matthias Scholl is Joss and Barbara's son.
Proof 2: On 27 January 1665 a child, Hanß Jacob was born to parents: Hanß Conrad Heil, and his wife Jacobe. The baptismal sponsors were: Adam Rausch together with wife; Barbara Schollin, widow; Hanß Andreß Scholl. Barbara Scholl, wife of Joss Scholl is still living at this date however Joss died in 1662 so he is not listed. This is a great bit of evidence that Joss Scholl is the father of Hans Andreas Scholl. Hans Andreas Endris Scholl is 26 years old at this date. It was about this time he married Anna Margretha Hosin and they began their family
Who are Johann Conrad Heil and Anna Jacobea Cammerer?
Johann
Conrad Heil was born about 1626 to unknown parents. He married Anna
Jacobea Cammerer about 1660 and they had four children.
1. Hans Adam Heil 1658-dec
2. Jacob Martin Heil 1663-1734 married Susanna (1670-1746) about 1693 and had 8 children
3. Johann Jacob Heil 1665-1674 lived 9 years
4. Johann Simon Heil 1670-1736 married Anna Maria Muenck 8 Jan 1695.
Note: Johann Conrad Heil is related to us through Hans Weidmann b 1601. Conrad died 8 Oct 1673 at age 47.
Who is the second sponsor, namely Adam Rausch?
Adam Raush was born about 1610. ans in 1646 he married Magdalena Schmidt who lived from 1614 to 1668. They had at least one child named Anna Margaetha Rausch 1647-1701. Adam died in 1667, or two years after he sponsored Hans Condrad Heil's child Hans Jacob. Adam lived to be 57 years old.
Adam Raush was born about 1610. ans in 1646 he married Magdalena Schmidt who lived from 1614 to 1668. They had at least one child named Anna Margaetha Rausch 1647-1701. Adam died in 1667, or two years after he sponsored Hans Condrad Heil's child Hans Jacob. Adam lived to be 57 years old.
Did the 30 Years War effect Barbara and Joss?
The wars of the 17th century brought great misery to Graben. The Thirty Years' War from 1618 to 1648 took a heavy toll. In 1622, Graben had 145 citizens, by 1648 there were only 42 citizens.
Who are Barbara's parents?
Barbara's father appears to be Endris Dietrich and mother is Gertraut Dieterich, from Grantschen, Baden-Wüttemberg, Germany. See document below.
What happened to Barbara's possible children?
3. Peter Scholl, 1637-1669+ child?
4. Hans Andreas Endris Scholl 1639-1691, had a wife and family
5. Hans Leonard Scholl 1652-1732, lived to be 80
Is Anna Margaretha Scholl a child of Joss and Barbara?
In the birth of Anna Margaretha Scholl 1654, Joss Scholl is a witness and Margaretha's name is mentioned in the document. We are not sure of the relationship or the name of the person the document was about. See more information below. There is no proof in the document that Anna Margaretha is Joss Scholl and Barbara Dietrich's daughter.
During their lifetime:
This area of Germany was fairly flat and was often a battlefield during the 30 Years War. The 30 Years War was between Catholics and Protestants and who would be in control of Europe. After 8 millions deaths, when the war ended, not much changed in terms of who ruled Europe and in particular Germany.
The Thirty Years’ War and Peace of Westphalia: 1618-1648:
The Thirty Years’ War was one of the most destructive conflicts in European history. The land was ravaged; homes, churches, and crops were destroyed. In Baden, one-half of all the buildings were razed, with its population forced to live in caves. Famine and disease followed the devastation and nearly one-third of the population of Germany died. In the Palatinate, it is estimated that only 50,000 of the original one million inhabitants survived. Population shifts occurred. Swiss immigrants settled in the decimated areas of Baden and the Pfalz. Youth were encouraged to marry young in order to work the land and re-populate the country. The Peace of Westphalia officially ended the Thirty Years’ War. The Reformed Church (Calvinism) received legal status as a state religion. (FamilySearch)
The Dietrich Surname
The Dietrich surname derives from the Germanic personal name Tederich (Theudoricus), which was composed of the elements "theud," meaning "people," or "race," and "ric," meaning "powerful." (Wikipedia)
Graben Pastors (Pfarrers) During Barbara's lifetime:
1571-1630 Johann Ettstein or Johann Jetzstein
1630-1642 Mathias Miller von Augsburg (Augsburg, Bavaria is one of Germany’s oldest cities. The varied architecture in its center includes medieval guild houses, the 11th-century St. Mary's cathedral and the onion-domed Sankt Ulrich und Afra Abbey.) (Grabstein auf den Friedhof.) (Translation: Mathias's Gravestone in the Cemetery) Mathias Miller was born 1594 in Augsburg and died in Graben in 1632.
1642-1645 Johann Kratzer
1645-1650 Johann Jakob Zaysser von Hornberg (During the Thirty Years' War Hornburg was occupied by the Imperial field marshal Johann Tserclaes von Tilly in 1626, but conquered by Swedish troops in 1630. In 1645 the Swedish military Hans Christoff von Königsmarck finally had the castle destroyed.)
1650-1652 M Jonas Anwander
1652-1654 Augustin Langer von Bamberg (The witch trials of the 17th century claimed about one thousand victims in Bamberg, reaching a climax between 1626 and 1631, under the rule of Prince-Bishop Johann Georg II Fuchs von Dornheim. The famous Drudenhaus (witch prison), built in 1627, is no longer standing today.)
1654-1656 Ludwig Bach von Durlaw (Durlach) (Durlach was chosen by the margrave Charles II in 1565 as residence of the rulers of Baden-Durlach, and retained this distinction though it was almost totally destroyed by the French in 1689.)
1656-1663 Martin Luzius von Augsburg, (second Priest from here) (Augsburg, Bavaria is one of Germany’s oldest cities. The varied architecture in its center includes medieval guild houses, the 11th-century St. Mary's cathedral and the onion-domed Sankt Ulrich und Afra abbey.) (Grabstein auf den Friedhof.) (Translation: Mathias's Gravestone in the Cemetery) served as Pastor with Augusta Vindel
1663-1671 Sebastian Aepinus Aping
1671-1674 Johann Georg Pantzhaff von Urach in Württemberg (Württemberg was devastated in the Thirty Years’ War (1618–48) and fell prey to French invasions from 1688 until 1693 during the War of the Grand Alliance. Yet the country enjoyed progressive government. Compulsory education was introduced in 1649.) (Born in Urach Württemberg , studies in Strasbourg, 1652 pastor in Pfulgriesheim, 1656 in Remchingen with the branches Wilferdingen and Singen, 1666 in Eggenstein, 1667 in Langensteinbach, 1671 - 1674 in Graben , the Evangelical Church of Baden called Parzav or Parzhaff)
1674-1677 Johann Oswald Crusius (Crusig) von Ravensburg (Following the Reformation a "paritetic" government emerged in Ravensburg meaning an equal distribution of public offices between the Catholic and Protestant confession. This system was approved at the end of the Thirty Years' War in the Peace of Westphalia (1648).
1677-1682 Immanuel Rösch von Geislingen \
(The fortified Helfenstein castle existed since 1100.) (In 1644 Hochstetten had its own pastor, named Joh. Friedr. Buß; In 1677 the Pastor was Immanuel Rösch.)
1682-1692 Konrad Stadmann von Durlach (Durlach was chosen by the margrave Charles II in 1565 as residence of the rulers of Baden-Durlach, and retained this distinction though it was almost totally destroyed by the French in 1689.)
Documents related to Barbara Dietrich:
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Barbara Dietrich, taufe or baptism 27 Feb 1614 in Grantschen, Württemberg, Baden-Wüttemberg, Germany. Father is Endris Dietrich and mother is Gertraut Dieterich, from Evangelische Kirche Sülzbach of Grantschen.(Grantschen is 53 miles east of Graben)
Where was Barbara baptized?
Evangelisch, Suelzbach Weinsberg, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg
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| Grantschen is an hours drive east of Graben or 50 miles |
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| Johann Simon Heil bap 30 Oct 1670film 102078348 page 154 |
Translation by Robert Seal:
Child: Johan Simon. + [died].
Parents: Hans Conrat Heill, Jacoba, wife.
Baptismal sponsors: Hans Mats Scholl together with wife. Hans Andreas Scholl. Anna Catarina Hos, Caspar Hos's daughter.
Note: Hans Andreas and Hans Matthias Scholl are brothers.
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Translation: View of the Schlossplatz in Graben. The former castle dairy 1684 had to give way to today's Bezirkssparkasse in 1861 (Notes: Schlossplatz is German for Castle Square where the Graben Castle stood. In the 20th century there are homes covering the area and a walking path behind the homes where you can still see some of the stones of what used to be the wall around Graben's 17th Century Castle.)  Translation by Robert Seal: Date: 22 September [1658]. Child: Hanß Adam. Parents: Hanß Conrad Heil and wife Jacobe. Baptismal sponsors: Adam Rausch and his wife. Barbara Schollin and her son Hanß Matthauß Scholl. Note: This is the proof, the only proof, that Barbara Dietrich and Joss Scholl had a son called Hans Matthauss. Totally amazing and wonderful to make this link. Note: Barbara Dietrich and her son Matthias Scholl are co-sponsors  Translation by Charlotte Champenios On 29 November 1658 was baptized Hanß Michel, son of Anthon Kammerer and his wife, Sidonia. Godparents: Hanß Rausch [compare with the father Reinhard on 21 Feb. on the following image], schoolmaster, and his wife; Hanß Vilhelm, school[master], and his wife.  Date: 27 January [1665]. Child: Hanß Jacob. Parents: Hanß Conrat Heil, Jacobe. Baptismal sponsors: Adam R____ß together with wife; Barbara Schollin, widow; Hanß Andreß Scholl. Note: Barbara Scholl, wife of Joss Scholl is still living
however Joss died in 1662 so he is not listed. This is a great bit of
evidence that Joss Scholl is the father of Hans Andreas Scholl.
 Translation by Robert Seal: ? December [1667]: Adam Rausch, 57 years his age, citizen in Graben.  Translation by Robert Seal: 8 October [1673]: H[ans] Conrad Heil, citizen and [town] council member, in his 47th years, died from consumption [tuberculosis]. |
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| Barbara Dietrich death 12 January 1684 film 4137289 page 263 |
Translation of death record:
1684 12 Jan in the morning between 5:00 and 6:00 died in Christ Jesus, Barbara geboren (maiden name) Dietrich the wife of the deceased Joss Scholl legitimate Bürger from here 14........
Translation of second page by Ulrich Neitzel:
I read as follows (beginning on the last line of the first page):
German words in document: welche den 14. mit christl. Ceremonien zur Erde bestattet. Wurde ihres Alters 70 Jahr. Textus defunctus erat ... (last line not readable). (According to Robert Seal a Biblical text was read at the Barbara's burial.)
English translation: who was buried on the 14th with Christian ceremonies. Was 70 years old. <in Latin> Death witness was....
Note from Robert Seal: I read the first word in the Latin phrase as: Textus.
Other examples of "Textus" in this context appear in
--the next record on page 2 for "Anna Barbara": Textus erat ex . . .
--the next-to-last record on page 2 for "Barbara Weickin": Textus defunctus erat ex
--the first record on page 1 for "Anna Elisabetha": Textus erat defunctus ex
In these examples compare the "x" in "Textus" with the "x" in the word "ex".
If the word is "Textus", these phrases are likely indicating what Biblical text was read at the burial.
Pastor: Graben Pastor (Pfarrer) Konrad Stadmann who was from Durlach and served in Graben between 1682-1692 was Barbara's Pastor at her time of death. His hometown of Durlach is 15 miles south of Graben. Pastor Stadmann was the Pastor who chose the burial site, said a prayer over Barbara and entered her death record.
Final Translation by Robert Seal:
1684 12 Jan in the morning between 5:00 and 6:00 died in Christ Jesus, Barbara geboren (maiden name) Dietrich the wife of the deceased Joss Scholl legitimate Bürger from here 14........
Translation of second page by Ulrich Neitzel:
I read as follows (beginning on the last line of the first page):
German words in document: welche den 14. mit christl. Ceremonien zur Erde bestattet. Wurde ihres Alters 70 Jahr. Textus defunctus erat ... (last line not readable). (According to Robert Seal a Biblical text was read at the Barbara's burial.)
English translation: who was buried on the 14th with Christian ceremonies. Was 70 years old. <in Latin> Death witness was....
Note from Robert Seal: I read the first word in the Latin phrase as: Textus.
Other examples of "Textus" in this context appear in
--the next record on page 2 for "Anna Barbara": Textus erat ex . . .
--the next-to-last record on page 2 for "Barbara Weickin": Textus defunctus erat ex
--the first record on page 1 for "Anna Elisabetha": Textus erat defunctus ex
In these examples compare the "x" in "Textus" with the "x" in the word "ex".
If the word is "Textus", these phrases are likely indicating what Biblical text was read at the burial.
Pastor: Graben Pastor (Pfarrer) Konrad Stadmann who was from Durlach and served in Graben between 1682-1692 was Barbara's Pastor at her time of death. His hometown of Durlach is 15 miles south of Graben. Pastor Stadmann was the Pastor who chose the burial site, said a prayer over Barbara and entered her death record.
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| Anna Jacobea Cammerer death 9 Sep 1689 film 004137289 page 266 |
On the 9th of September 1689, in the morning between 7:00 am and 8:00
am, the blessed Anna Jacobea, surviving widow of Hanß Conrad Heÿl,
citizen here, died in her Savior Jesus Christ, in the damp, and to be
precise in the forest, who on the 10th of September thereafter according
to Christian custom with a pulpit speech was honestly buried to the
earth in the cemetery of Graben. She lived approximately 57 years.
First Tranmsltion by Robet Seal with notes by Ulrich Neitzel"
In the left margin: Anna Jacobea Heilin, née Cammererin.
On the 9th of September 1689, in the morning between 7:00 am and 8:00 am, the blessed Anna Jacobea, surviving widow of Hanß Conrad Heÿl, citizen here, died in her Savior Jesus Christ, in the damp, and to be precise in the forest, who on the 10th of September thereafter according to Christian custom with a pulpit speech honestly buried to the earth on the cemetery of Graben to the grave was honestly buried into the earth. She lived approximately 57 years.
Then Ulrich filled in the missing phrase as follows:
I read the missing part as:
...unter Haltung einer Kantzel Abdankung auf dem Gottesacker zu Graben ehrlich zur Erde bestattet worden.
...with a pulpit speech honestly buried to the earth on the cemetery of Graben.
Abdankung is an old term, no longer in use, for a funeral speech (www.woerterbuchnetz.de/DWB?lemid=A00169, enter Abdankung at "Stichwort suchen")
Gottesacker, literally god's acre, an older term for cemetery.
In the left margin: Anna Jacobea Heilin, née Cammererin.
On the 9th of September 1689, in the morning between 7:00 am and 8:00 am, the blessed Anna Jacobea, surviving widow of Hanß Conrad Heÿl, citizen here, died in her Savior Jesus Christ, in the damp, and to be precise in the forest, who on the 10th of September thereafter according to Christian custom with a pulpit speech honestly buried to the earth on the cemetery of Graben to the grave was honestly buried into the earth. She lived approximately 57 years.
Then Ulrich filled in the missing phrase as follows:
I read the missing part as:
...unter Haltung einer Kantzel Abdankung auf dem Gottesacker zu Graben ehrlich zur Erde bestattet worden.
...with a pulpit speech honestly buried to the earth on the cemetery of Graben.
Abdankung is an old term, no longer in use, for a funeral speech (www.woerterbuchnetz.de/DWB?lemid=A00169, enter Abdankung at "Stichwort suchen")
Gottesacker, literally god's acre, an older term for cemetery.