Heinrich Schneebeli and Elsbet Schnebelin married 6 October 1707 in Affoltern am Abis. Their daughter Elsbeth Schneebeli birth was born 28 November Affoltern Am Abis. They lived in the village of Affoltern. The town is a pretty little Swiss village with a church on the side of a mountain, which forms a backdrop to the village. To pronounce Schneebeli you pronounce the initial e's as a long ē. (Sh-nē-belly). FS ID: LVC2-2RF
Wolf:
For more information go to: I have summerized the information on Heinrich Schneebeli oo1707 Elsbeth Schneebeli; summaries of the two sons' families will follow.
Wolf:
Schnebeli is an old spelling of what is officially today Schneebeli.
The "…in" at the end of a surname indicates a female. If the name ends with an "i" there is no double "ii".
Note that in this marriage record the name is spelled "Schneewelj" (EDB always gives standardised spellings): spellings were not fixed at the time, the pastors used the spellings they liked ;-).
Heinrich and Elisabeth's children:
1. Margret Schneebeli b 17 April 1707- d 12 d Dec 1708
2. Hans Jacob Schneebeli 18 Dec 1708 - 19 Feb 1709
3. Katharina Schneebeli b 24 Jun 1710- ?
4. Heinrich Schneebeli b 19 Jan 1712 - 3 Sep 1712
5. Elisabeth Schneebeli 28 Nov 1713 - 28 Nov 1765
6. Heinrich Schneebeli b 15 Nov 1716 - 25 Mar 1796 married Anna Urmi 28 Mar 1746 and had 8 children (Anna ab der Baregg, Knonau (eigener Beitrag in Vorbereitung) (translation: own contribution in preparation)
7. Barbara Schneebeli b 19 Nov 1719 - d 15 Nov 1716 married Jakob Zimmermann and had 4 children
8. Hans Heinrich Schneebeli b 25 Mar 1723 - d 25 Mar 1796 married Anna Barbara Schneebeli 18 June 1791 and had 7 children
9. Rudolf Schneebeli b 16 Dec 1725 - d 15 Mar 1781 married Katharina Zimmerman 3 Dec 1787 and had 1 child
Source: Family register Affoltern 1748 (E III 3.10), page 99 (pdf-page 62)
Heinrich Schneebeli b 1707 - master craftsman, stove maker, ≈ Affoltern 15.04.1683, + Affoltern 14.03.1751
oo Affoltern 01.02.1707: the family lives in house LXIV near the shooting range.
Elsbeth Schneebeli, ≈ Affoltern 20.11.1683, + Affoltern 12.12.1745
Kinder:
Married sons living in Affoltern:
15.11.1716 Heinrich oo Anna Urmi ab der Baregg
28.03.1723 Hans Heinrich oo Regula Zimmermann
Still single at the time of registration:
19.11.1719 Barbara (oo 1746 Jacob Zimmermann)
16.12.1725 Rudolf (oo 1754 Catharina Zimmermann)
No longer listed in the family register:
31.10.1707 Margret, (+ 12.12.1708 ?)
18.12.1708 Hans Jacob, + 19.02.1709
24.06.1710 Katharina
19.01.1712 Heinrich, + 03.09.1712
28.11.1713 Elsbeth oo Hans Kaspar Sidler
Note: Under Geneanet you can find (unfortunately also partly incorrect) information on descendants and ancestors of Heinrich Schneebeli (1683-1751) at Fridolin Bannwart / Vadim Hecht / olooloo247 / Mathieu Pichon.
Documents relating to Heinrich Schneebeli:
Wolf:
Heinrich Schnebeli Haffners / Elsbet Schnebelin
I find the names of the witnesses difficult - so for the time being I leave that alone - until we are sure this is the correct baptism. Heinrich Schnebeli "Haffners" (nickname) and Elsbet Schnebelin got married Affoltern 01.12.1707.
Wolf:
18.12.1708 Hans Jacob, + 19.02.1709
1708 18. Christm(onat): Jacob Hans
Heinrich Schnebeli Hafners / Elsbet Schnebelin
Hans Jacob Bähr Jägers, Zimmermann / Margaret Winkelmann, Mr. Jacob Hugens Färbers Frau
Wolf:
1709 19. Horn(ung): Hans Jacob Schnebeli
Mr. Heinrich Schnebelis Haffn(ers) järiges(?) Söhnlein
"Jährig" would mean roughly 1 year old - so I'm not sure at all.
Wolf:
1710 den 24. Brachm(onat): Katharina
Heinrich Schnebeli Haffners / Elsbet Schnebelein
Hans Jacob Bähr Jäger(?) / Katharina Freÿ des Trechsler Müllers Frau (I cannot identify this couple).
This is followed (N.B.) by a description of this year's weather conditions
Wolf:
Wolf:
1712 den 3. 7bris: Heinrich Schnebeli
Mr. Heini Schneebeli, Haffners, Söhnli
Kent:
Wolf:
19.11.1719 Barbara oo 1746 Jacob Zimmermann
1719 den 19. 9bris: Barbar(a)
Mr. Heinerich Schnebelj Maurer / Elßbeth Schnebelj
Mr. Heinrich Eprecht [Epprecht] Glaser (likely husband of Anna Schneebeli) / Barbara Suter von Hedingen
Marriage Affoltern 26.01.1746
Hans Heinrich Schneebeli oo1747 Regula Zimmermann
Quelle: Familienregister Affoltern 1748 (E III 3.10), Seite 99 (pdf-page 62) [Ergänzungen]
Hans Heinrich Schneebeli, jünger, ≈ Affoltern 28.03.1723, Sohn des Heinrich, [+ Affoltern 25.03.1796]
oo Zürich-Grossmünster 05.01.1747
Regula Zimmermann, ≈ Affoltern 10.11.1715, [Tochter des Schusters Lienhart und der Adelheid (nicht Regula) Russer, + (wo?) 28.01.1781].
Kinder:
28.03.1747 Verena
01.01.1749 Caspar
03.10.1751 Jacob
30.06.1754 Rudolf
26.08.1757 Töchterlein, starb ante bapt.
20.03.1759 Hans Heinrich
[21.06.1763 Leonhard]
Weitere Angaben bei Geneanet.
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| 1683 Heinrich Schneeebeli baptism Elsbeth's father, 15 Apr Parents: Heinrich/Anna Suter Affoltern am Albis film 008014299 page 381 |
Wolf:
On 15. Aprellen (1683) we have the baptism of Heinrich, son of M(eister) Heini Schneblj der Haffner and Anna Suterj - the couple got married 16.06.1668 - with the somewhat confusing listing of Heinrich as "Maurer" (did he change profession?).
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| 1668 Heinrich Schneebeli marriage 16 June to Anna Suteri Elsbeth's grandparents Affoltern am Albis film 008014295 page 464 |
Wolf:
On 15. Aprellen (1683) we have the baptism of Heinrich, son of M(eister) Heini Schneblj der Haffner and Anna Suterj - the couple got married 16.06.1668 - with the somewhat confusing listing of Heinrich as "Maurer" (did he change profession?).
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| 1707 Elsbet Schnebelin/Heinrich Schneebeli's marriage Elsbeth's parents 1 Feb Affoltern am Albis page 479 |
Heinrich Schnebeli Haffners / Elsbet Schnebelin
I find the names of the witnesses difficult - so for the time being I leave that alone - until we are sure this is the correct baptism. Heinrich Schnebeli "Haffners" (nickname) and Elsbet Schnebelin got married Affoltern 01.12.1707.
Wolf:
Marriage Schneebeli & Schneebeli 1707
A(nno) 1707, d(en) 1.t(en) Hornung eÿngesägnet (eingesegnet = consecrated)
Heinrich Eprecht Blaser ... (not our topic)
Heinrich Schnebeli Haffners vnd Elsbet Schnebelin Schmidhansen Rudi
Note: The nickname "Haffners" is certainly derived from the profession, i.e. implies that an ancestor (possibly several generations) were Hafner (potters).
Note: "Schmidhansen Rudi" is also identifying Elsbet's family line. Likely a Rudi (Rudolf) was her father - with the nickname "Schmidhansen" (which I cannot explain).
Marriage Schneebeli & Schneebeli 1707
A(nno) 1707, d(en) 1.t(en) Hornung eÿngesägnet (eingesegnet = consecrated)
Heinrich Eprecht Blaser ... (not our topic)
Heinrich Schnebeli Haffners vnd Elsbet Schnebelin Schmidhansen Rudi
Note: The nickname "Haffners" is certainly derived from the profession, i.e. implies that an ancestor (possibly several generations) were Hafner (potters).
Note: "Schmidhansen Rudi" is also identifying Elsbet's family line. Likely a Rudi (Rudolf) was her father - with the nickname "Schmidhansen" (which I cannot explain).
Note: Heinrich married Elsbet Schnebelin and had Elsbeth Schneebeli in 1713,
FS ID; Heinrich: LVC2-2RF Elsbet: K64Z-34N
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| 1707 Margret Schnebelerin bap 31 Oct Affoltern am Albis film 008014299 page 406 |
Wolf:
1707 den 31. 8bris: Margaret
Heinrich Schnebelis Hafners / Elsbet Schnebelin
Mr. Hans Jacob Bähr Jägers, Zimmermann / Margaret Winkelmann, Mr. Jac. Hugens Hausfrau (oo 21.03.1682)
No death/burial entry 12.12.1708 found in Affoltern.
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| 1708 Jacob Hans Schnebeli 18 Dec Affoltern film 008014299 page 407 |
18.12.1708 Hans Jacob, + 19.02.1709
1708 18. Christm(onat): Jacob Hans
Heinrich Schnebeli Hafners / Elsbet Schnebelin
Hans Jacob Bähr Jägers, Zimmermann / Margaret Winkelmann, Mr. Jacob Hugens Färbers Frau
Wolf:
1709 19. Horn(ung): Hans Jacob Schnebeli
Mr. Heinrich Schnebelis Haffn(ers) järiges(?) Söhnlein
"Jährig" would mean roughly 1 year old - so I'm not sure at all.
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| 1710 Katharina Schnebeli bap 24 Jun Affoltern film 008014299 page 409 |
1710 den 24. Brachm(onat): Katharina
Heinrich Schnebeli Haffners / Elsbet Schnebelein
Hans Jacob Bähr Jäger(?) / Katharina Freÿ des Trechsler Müllers Frau (I cannot identify this couple).
This is followed (N.B.) by a description of this year's weather conditions
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| 1712 Heinrich Schnebeli 19 Jan Affoltern bap film 008014299 |
19.01.1712 Heinrich, + 03.09.1712
1712 den 19. des Jänner: Heinrich
Heinrich Schnebeli Haffners / Elsbet Schnebelein
Heinrich Winkelmann Stabhalter und Fendrich des Freÿen Amtes / Elsbet Weiß des Küeffer Weißn Toc
1712 den 19. des Jänner: Heinrich
Heinrich Schnebeli Haffners / Elsbet Schnebelein
Heinrich Winkelmann Stabhalter und Fendrich des Freÿen Amtes / Elsbet Weiß des Küeffer Weißn Toc
Wolf:
1712 den 3. 7bris: Heinrich Schnebeli
Mr. Heini Schneebeli, Haffners, Söhnli
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| 1713 Elsbeth Schneebeli birth 28 November Affoltern Am Abis page 415 |
Billeter says Elsbeth was born 1710 but the death record says she was 52 in 1765 which means she was actually born in 1713.
summarize the family on Geneal-Forum
Wolf:
Elsbet's Baptismal entry:
1713 / den 28. Winterm(onat): Elisabet
Heinrich Schnebeli Haffners / Elsbet Schnebelin
I find the names of the witnesses difficult - so for the time being I will leave that alone - until we are sure this is the correct baptism. Heinrich Schnebeli "Haffners" (nickname) and Elsbet Schnebelin got married Affoltern 01.12.1707.
Quelle: Familienregister Affoltern 1748 (E III 3.10), Seite 99 (pdf-page 62) [Ergänzungen]
Heinrich Schneebeli, älter, ≈ Affoltern 15.11.1716, Sohn des Heinrich, [Meister, Maurer, Ehger., Kirchenverwalter, + Affoltern 24.01.1791] (deepl: Master craftsman, bricklayer, church administrator) oo Zürich-Grossmünster 28.03.1746
Anna Urmi (Urnerin) ab der Baregg (Pfarr Knonau), ≈ Knonau 22.07.1722, [Tochter des Hans Jakob und der Katharina Kleiner, + Affoltern 17.08.1787]
Kinder:
12.02.1747 Jacob
12.01.1749 Hans Heinrich, + 11.02.1749
22.02.1750 Barbara
16.04.1752 Johannes
21.07.1754 Anna
05.09.1756 Felix
15.10.1758 Elsbeth
summarize the family on Geneal-Forum
Wolf:
Elsbet's Baptismal entry:
1713 / den 28. Winterm(onat): Elisabet
Heinrich Schnebeli Haffners / Elsbet Schnebelin
I find the names of the witnesses difficult - so for the time being I will leave that alone - until we are sure this is the correct baptism. Heinrich Schnebeli "Haffners" (nickname) and Elsbet Schnebelin got married Affoltern 01.12.1707.
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| 1716 Heinrich Schnebelin baptism 15 Nov Affoltern film 0008014299 page 418 |
Heinrich Schneebeli, älter, ≈ Affoltern 15.11.1716, Sohn des Heinrich, [Meister, Maurer, Ehger., Kirchenverwalter, + Affoltern 24.01.1791] (deepl: Master craftsman, bricklayer, church administrator) oo Zürich-Grossmünster 28.03.1746
Anna Urmi (Urnerin) ab der Baregg (Pfarr Knonau), ≈ Knonau 22.07.1722, [Tochter des Hans Jakob und der Katharina Kleiner, + Affoltern 17.08.1787]
Kinder:
12.02.1747 Jacob
12.01.1749 Hans Heinrich, + 11.02.1749
22.02.1750 Barbara
16.04.1752 Johannes
21.07.1754 Anna
05.09.1756 Felix
15.10.1758 Elsbeth
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| 1719 Barbara Schnebeli bap 19 Nov Affoltern film 008014299 page 422 |
19.11.1719 Barbara oo 1746 Jacob Zimmermann
1719 den 19. 9bris: Barbar(a)
Mr. Heinerich Schnebelj Maurer / Elßbeth Schnebelj
Mr. Heinrich Eprecht [Epprecht] Glaser (likely husband of Anna Schneebeli) / Barbara Suter von Hedingen
Marriage Affoltern 26.01.1746
Note: "Barbara Schneebeli b 19 Nov 1719 - d 15 Nov 1716 married Jakob Zimmermann and had 4 children" … death date cannot be correct.
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| 1722 Anna Urmi baptism 22 July Father Hans Jakob mother Cathri Kleiner Knonau film page 167 |
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| 1723 Hans Heinrich Schnebeli bap 25 Mar Affoltern film 008014299 page 425 |
Hans Heinrich Schneebeli oo1747 Regula Zimmermann
Quelle: Familienregister Affoltern 1748 (E III 3.10), Seite 99 (pdf-page 62) [Ergänzungen]
Hans Heinrich Schneebeli, jünger, ≈ Affoltern 28.03.1723, Sohn des Heinrich, [+ Affoltern 25.03.1796]
oo Zürich-Grossmünster 05.01.1747
Regula Zimmermann, ≈ Affoltern 10.11.1715, [Tochter des Schusters Lienhart und der Adelheid (nicht Regula) Russer, + (wo?) 28.01.1781].
Kinder:
28.03.1747 Verena
01.01.1749 Caspar
03.10.1751 Jacob
30.06.1754 Rudolf
26.08.1757 Töchterlein, starb ante bapt.
20.03.1759 Hans Heinrich
[21.06.1763 Leonhard]
Weitere Angaben bei Geneanet.
Note: - d 25 Mar 1796 married Anna Barbara Schneebeli 18 June 1791 and had 7 children" yet? It is in contradiction to the Familienregister! It would also be unusual to marry aged 68 - and then have 7 children 🤔.
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| 1725 Rudolff Schnebeli bap 16 Dec Affoltern film 008014299 page 427 |
Wolf:
16.12.1725 Rudolf oo 1754 Catharina Zimmermann
1725 den 16. Xbr: Rudolff
Heinerich Schnebelij Hafner / Elßbeth Schnebeli
Rudolf Schnebeli cogn(omen) [nickname] Schmidhansen / Verena Zimmer(mann) Peters filia [daughter]
You find Rudolf Schneebeli in the Familienregister on Seite 82 (pdf-page 62).
Marriage Affoltern 19.02.1754:
Rudolf: b. 16. Dez. 1725; Hafner; Mr. Heinrich Schneebelis, Hafners, sel. Sohn; verkündet 10. Febr.
Catharina: b. 30. Jan. 1729; Mr. Leonhard Zimmermanns, Schuhmachers, Tochter
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| 1748 affoltern-famregister-1748-schneebeli-heinrich- 26elsbeth-oo1707 |
Wolf:
It confirms our findings and also indicates what I had already assumed - an intermarriage with Urmi of Baregg. The family lived in premises "beim Schützenstand":
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| 1748 affoltern-famreg-1748-schneebeli-haus-beim-sch-c3-bctzenstand |
Wolf
Also interesting is the register - listing several nicknames:
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| 1748 affoltern-famreg-1748-namensregister |
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| 1751 Heinrich Schneebeli death 14 Mar 67 yrs 11 months Affoltern am Albis film 008014299 page 763 |
Wolf:
Abgestorbne A(nno) 1751, Sunday, 14. Merz
Mstr (Meister) Heinrich Schneebeli, Haffner, alt 67 Jahr und 11 Monat.
Note the "Haffner" (not Haffners"), his profession, not the line's nickname. On the other hand, professions have often been handed on for generations in a family - it is therefore plausible that a member of the "Haffners" line worked as Hafner himself. This makes this Heinrich Schneebeli most likely to Elsbeth's (*1713) father.
Aged 67 y 11 m means birth about April 1683 - not 1671!
On 15. Aprellen (1683) we have the baptism of Heinrich, son of M(eister) Heini Schneblj der Haffner and Anna Suterj - the couple got married 16.06.1668 - with the somewhat confusing listing of Heinrich as "Maurer" (did he change profession?).