Owned land?
Hans Caspar Schwarzenbach died from age-related weakness, aged 70y 3m 11d (which fits his baptismal date exactly). He had owned a "Hof" (literally a farm, more likely just some premises) in Wäldi (cannot identify the name of the premises), which he left to his son (I guess. Elisabeth was his second wife), after he bought something (like a care place - is not mentioned) in Allschwil, where he died
Hotz:
When Regula Hotz was born on 24 September 1713, in Kilchberg, Zürich, Switzerland, her father, Hans Heinrich Hotz, was 52 and her mother, Magdalena Usteri, was 48. She married Saloman Schwarzenbach on 15 June 1751, in Kilchberg, Zürich, Switzerland. They were the parents of at least 1 son.
2 Marriages:
Found in EDB:
Kilchberg 23.06.1778
Schwarzenbach, Hans Kaspar, Adliswil, married Welti, Elisabeth, Adliswil
Married again 1808; + 1828
+ 12.3.1805 - which will most likely when his first wife died.
Kilchberg 23.06.1778
Schwarzenbach, Hans Kaspar, Adliswil, married Welti, Elisabeth, Adliswil
Married again 1808; + 1828
+ 12.3.1805 - which will most likely when his first wife died.
Solomon Schwarzenbach's sister:
Birth of sister Barbara Schwarzenbach (1685–1725)
SEP 1685 • Zürich, Zürich, Schweiz
Death of Solomon's sister Barbara Schwarzenbach (1685–1725) 24 JUN 1725 • Thalwil, Zürich, Schweiz
Birth of sister Barbara Schwarzenbach (1685–1725)
SEP 1685 • Zürich, Zürich, Schweiz
Death of Solomon's sister Barbara Schwarzenbach (1685–1725) 24 JUN 1725 • Thalwil, Zürich, Schweiz
On 30 March 1752 Solomon and Regula had a daughter named Anna Barbara.
Hans Kaspar Schwarzenbach of Adliswil and Elisabetha Sidler b 1747 married 6 March 1808 when she was 61 and Kaspar was 50. Ottenbach Pastor Locher performed the marriage in the Ottenbach Kirche. How they got together is unknown but we do know most people at the time traveled by foot or horse. From Ottenbach to Adliswil is 13 miles. It is interesting to consider that a woman who bore 15 children and lost her husband when she was 54 decided to marry after being single for seven years. The happy couple ended up being married about 20 years.
Research
Post by Peter.D “ Mon 2 Dec 2024, 18:14
A Schwarzenbach family baptized a child in Kilchberg in 1625, the next one in Höngg in 1626. The family then lived there for centuries, particularly on the Riedhof. The last mayor of Höngg before its incorporation in 1934 was Werner Schwarzenbach. Perhaps the a under Zürich in the FNB refers to this branch.
Peter
Heinrich Hottz / Magdalena Usteri.
Regula.
Hanß Heinrich Günthart, Chirurgus zu Adlischw(yl) / Regula Hottz, Jacob Hottzen auff Buttenau ehel(iche) Tochter[legitimate daughter of Jacob Hottz in Buttenau].
I attach a cutting from the scan available from the Zürich State Archive where the place of residence is not hidden in the spine fold.
den 15 Junij
Solomon Schwarzenbach / Regula Hotz / beyde auß dem Adlischw(iler) Berg
See also EDB and Salomon Schwarzenbach (1724-1795) oo Regula Hotz on Geneal-Forum.
Wolf:
Kaspar Schwarzenbach. His birth record:
MDCCLVIII (1758) Januar d(en) 8. Waldi
H(an)s Caspar / + 19. / b(e)gr(aben) 22.V.1828
Salomon Schwarz(en)bach / Regula Hoz [Hotz]: married Kilchberg 15.06.1751
Caspar Nägeli Wirth zu Böndler / Anna Bleüler Hs. Caspar Rellstaben (Haus)frau auf Kilchb(erg)
I don't find a marriage Anna Bleuler with Hans Caspar Rellstab in EDB - just Kilchberg 13.02.1753 HK Rellstab with Anna Unholz (???).
Wolf:
Adl(iswiler)berg, den 15. [not spelled out - but from context (previous page) it will be December]
H(an)s Casp(ar) Schwarz(en)b(ach) / Elisabeth Wälti
H(an)s Caspar
Witnesses: Lieutenant H(an)s Casp(ar) Nägeli im Sch...(?) / Anna Unholz, Casp(ar) Rellst(abs) nachg(elassese) Wit(we) auf Kilchberg[had married Kilchberg 13.02.1753]
I have added Hans Caspar (the son) to Hans Caspar Schwarzenbach (1758-1828) ooI Elisabeth Welti, ooII Elisabetha Sidler as verified fact (as far as I am concerned, checking the other children is not necessary - anyone interested finds the data on geneanet and could check himself).
Wolf:
1808 Elisabetha Sidler marriage to Hans Kaspar Schwarzenbach of Adliswil 6 March 1808:
d(en) 6 Mart(ius) 1808
H(an)s Caspar Schwarzenbach von Adlisweil der Pfarr Kilchberg
Elisabetha Sidler (Wittwe des Wachtmeisters Rudolf Sidlers sel(ig) von Ottenbach)
[Copuliert 7. Mart(ius) 1808 b(ei) St. Peter Zürich - belongs to preceding marriage!]
Wolf:
Hans Caspar Schwarzenbach
von Adlischwil, starb an Altersschwachheit, s(eines) Alters 70 J, 4 M, 11 T [b(aptizatus) 08.01.1758] [besaß ein Hof in Waldi-...., überliß denselben s(eine)m Sohn, u(nd) kaufte in Adlischwil wo er starb.
Starb (Monday) 19. Mai / B(e)gr(aben) (Thursday) 22. (Mai 1828)
Kent:
Hans Kaspar Schwarzenbach of Adliswil and Elisabetha Sidler b 1747 married 6 March 1808 when she was 61 and Kaspar was 50. Ottenbach Pastor Locher performed the marriage in the Ottenbach Kirche. How they got together is unknown but we do know most people at the time traveled by foot or horse. From Ottenbach to Adliswil is 13 miles. It is interesting to consider that a woman who bore 15 children and lost her husband when she was 54 decided to marry after being single for seven years. The happy couple ended up being married about 20 years.
Kaspar died 19 May 1828. He lived 70 years 4
months 11 days. Upon his death Kaspar was transported the 8.5 miles from
Ottenbach to Adliswil where the Pastor recorded his death. Elisabetha was to
live her last 3 years 5 months 24 days alone in Ottenbach. Kilchverg is the
home of Lindt Chocolates today. The scenic little community is built on a hill
and from the top you get wonderful views of the Lake Zürich and the pre-alps in the
distance. (Sources: Elisabetha's death certificate and marriage certificate,
Wikipedia)
Research
On 19 May 1828 Kaspar died. His burial record is found in the Kilchberg Parish records and includes lots of great information on the Schwarzenbach family as seen below. We still need to hook up Heinrich who was born in 1672 and Kaspar who was born in 1758. The 1728 Church Census has two entries for the family.
In 1728 Heinrich and Regula Hoz Schwarzenbacher family are listed:
Father: Heinrich 22 April 1672
Mother: Esther Rellstab (see 1728 census below) 1787 6 Oct?
Kinder:
Hans Kasper 31 June 1708
Anna Barbara 29 August 1713
Esther 19 August 1716
Hans Jakob 29 January 1719
Hans 22 October 1721
The other document is regarding:
Regula Hoz, widow, 14 August 1671
In 1728 Heinrich and Regula Hoz Schwarzenbacher family are listed:
Father: Heinrich 22 April 1672
Mother: Esther Rellstab (see 1728 census below) 1787 6 Oct?
Kinder:
Hans Kasper 31 June 1708
Anna Barbara 29 August 1713
Esther 19 August 1716
Hans Jakob 29 January 1719
Hans 22 October 1721
The other document is regarding:
Regula Hoz, widow, 14 August 1671
Salomon Schwarzenbach (1724-1795) oo Regula Hotz
Re: Schwarzenbach from Adliswil ZHPost by Peter.D “ Mon 2 Dec 2024, 18:14
A Schwarzenbach family baptized a child in Kilchberg in 1625, the next one in Höngg in 1626. The family then lived there for centuries, particularly on the Riedhof. The last mayor of Höngg before its incorporation in 1934 was Werner Schwarzenbach. Perhaps the a under Zürich in the FNB refers to this branch.
Peter
Schwarzenbach from Adliswil ZH
Post by Wolf “ Mon 2 Dec 2024, 17:24
Schwarzenbach have been naturalized in 5 municipalities in the canton of Zurich since before 1800, including Adliswil, which belongs to the parish of Kilchberg (including the hamlets of Waldi and Buttenau).
Post by Wolf “ Mon 2 Dec 2024, 17:24
Schwarzenbach have been naturalized in 5 municipalities in the canton of Zurich since before 1800, including Adliswil, which belongs to the parish of Kilchberg (including the hamlets of Waldi and Buttenau).
Schwarzenbach from Kilchberg in Höngg ZH
Post by Wolf “ Mon 2 Dec 2024, 21:33
örg Schwarzenbach in Mönchhof and Magdalena Brändlin have a Barbel baptized in Kilchberg on 24.04.1625. On 18.09.1625 Hans Heinrich Schwarzenbach zu Rüti(?) [Rüstl. = Rüschlikon] and Verena Bertschingerin have a Verena baptized. It is Jörg Schwarzenbach and Magdalena Brändlin who then have a Jörg baptized in Höngg on 14.12.1626.
It is quite plausible that this could be the origin of the (later) Zurich family (after the incorporation of Höngg) - at least Carl Keller-Escher does not mention Schwarzenbach in his collection of Zurich families.
Post by Wolf “ Mon 2 Dec 2024, 21:33
örg Schwarzenbach in Mönchhof and Magdalena Brändlin have a Barbel baptized in Kilchberg on 24.04.1625. On 18.09.1625 Hans Heinrich Schwarzenbach zu Rüti(?) [Rüstl. = Rüschlikon] and Verena Bertschingerin have a Verena baptized. It is Jörg Schwarzenbach and Magdalena Brändlin who then have a Jörg baptized in Höngg on 14.12.1626.
It is quite plausible that this could be the origin of the (later) Zurich family (after the incorporation of Höngg) - at least Carl Keller-Escher does not mention Schwarzenbach in his collection of Zurich families.
Re: Schwarzenbach from Kilchberg in Höngg ZH
Post by Peter.D “ Mon 2 Dec 2024, 22:10
Wolf wrote: ↑Mon 2 Dec 2024, 21:39
Schwarzenbach to Rüti(?)
The priest abbreviated it to Rüstl. Rüschlikon, which at that time also belonged to the parish of Kilchberg.
Peter
Post by Peter.D “ Mon 2 Dec 2024, 22:10
Wolf wrote: ↑Mon 2 Dec 2024, 21:39
Schwarzenbach to Rüti(?)
The priest abbreviated it to Rüstl. Rüschlikon, which at that time also belonged to the parish of Kilchberg.
Peter
Documents related to Hans Kaspar Schwarzenbach:
1713 Kaspar's mother Regula Hotz baptism father Heinrich Hottz, mother Magdalena Usteri 24 September, Kilchberg page 734 |
Wolf:
[1713] Sunday 24 7bris Buttenau [residence of parents].Heinrich Hottz / Magdalena Usteri.
Regula.
Hanß Heinrich Günthart, Chirurgus zu Adlischw(yl) / Regula Hottz, Jacob Hottzen auff Buttenau ehel(iche) Tochter[legitimate daughter of Jacob Hottz in Buttenau].
I attach a cutting from the scan available from the Zürich State Archive where the place of residence is not hidden in the spine fold.
Formerly farm and hamlet, today residential district in the south of the municipality of Adliswil on the left side of the Sihl. Already the first document of 1566 refers to a settlement. [2] |
1721 marriage Hans Jakob und (oo ZH-Grossmünster 24.11.1721) Barbara Rosenberger, |
1751 Regula Hotz & Solomon Schwarzembach's marriage 15 Jun Kilchberg film page 311751 Kaspar Schwarzenbach's parents marriage |
Wolf:
ANNUS MDCCLIden 15 Junij
Solomon Schwarzenbach / Regula Hotz / beyde auß dem Adlischw(iler) Berg
See also EDB and Salomon Schwarzenbach (1724-1795) oo Regula Hotz on Geneal-Forum.
1751 Solomon Schwarzenbach and Regula Hotz marriage |
1758 Kaspar Schwarzenbach birth 8 January 1758 Adliswil film 8194791 page 153 includes death date |
Kaspar Schwarzenbach. His birth record:
MDCCLVIII (1758) Januar d(en) 8. Waldi
H(an)s Caspar / + 19. / b(e)gr(aben) 22.V.1828
Salomon Schwarz(en)bach / Regula Hoz [Hotz]: married Kilchberg 15.06.1751
Caspar Nägeli Wirth zu Böndler / Anna Bleüler Hs. Caspar Rellstaben (Haus)frau auf Kilchb(erg)
I don't find a marriage Anna Bleuler with Hans Caspar Rellstab in EDB - just Kilchberg 13.02.1753 HK Rellstab with Anna Unholz (???).
1778 June 23 Kilchberg marriage Elisabeth Wälti |
1778 marriage Elisabeth Welti and Hans Kaspar Schwarzenbach |
MDCCLXXVIII
Jun. den 23 (with symbols indicating that notes on second marriage and death have been added)
Hans Caspar Schwarzenbach, wiederverheiratet (married again) 1808, starb (died) 1828.
Elisabeth Wälti, starb (died) 12.03.1805.
(both) Adl(iswil)
See als EDB and Hans Caspar Schwarzenbach (1758-1828) ooI Elisabeth Welti, ooII Elisabetha Sidler with additional info on Elisabeth Welti.
Jun. den 23 (with symbols indicating that notes on second marriage and death have been added)
Hans Caspar Schwarzenbach, wiederverheiratet (married again) 1808, starb (died) 1828.
Elisabeth Wälti, starb (died) 12.03.1805.
(both) Adl(iswil)
See als EDB and Hans Caspar Schwarzenbach (1758-1828) ooI Elisabeth Welti, ooII Elisabetha Sidler with additional info on Elisabeth Welti.
1778 Hans Caspar Schwartz marriage 15 Nov Kilchberg film 008194791 page 196 |
Wolf:
MDCCLXXVIIIAdl(iswiler)berg, den 15. [not spelled out - but from context (previous page) it will be December]
H(an)s Casp(ar) Schwarz(en)b(ach) / Elisabeth Wälti
H(an)s Caspar
Witnesses: Lieutenant H(an)s Casp(ar) Nägeli im Sch...(?) / Anna Unholz, Casp(ar) Rellst(abs) nachg(elassese) Wit(we) auf Kilchberg[had married Kilchberg 13.02.1753]
I have added Hans Caspar (the son) to Hans Caspar Schwarzenbach (1758-1828) ooI Elisabeth Welti, ooII Elisabetha Sidler as verified fact (as far as I am concerned, checking the other children is not necessary - anyone interested finds the data on geneanet and could check himself).
1808 Elisabetha Sidler marriage to Hans Kaspar Schwarzenbach of Adliswil in Ottenbach 6 March 1808 film 8126955 page 887 |
1808 Elisabetha Sidler marriage to Hans Kaspar Schwarzenbach of Adliswil 6 March 1808:
d(en) 6 Mart(ius) 1808
H(an)s Caspar Schwarzenbach von Adlisweil der Pfarr Kilchberg
Elisabetha Sidler (Wittwe des Wachtmeisters Rudolf Sidlers sel(ig) von Ottenbach)
[Copuliert 7. Mart(ius) 1808 b(ei) St. Peter Zürich - belongs to preceding marriage!]
1828 Hans Kaspar Schwarzenbach burial19 May 1828 film 8194791 page 854 |
Hans Caspar Schwarzenbach
von Adlischwil, starb an Altersschwachheit, s(eines) Alters 70 J, 4 M, 11 T [b(aptizatus) 08.01.1758] [besaß ein Hof in Waldi-...., überliß denselben s(eine)m Sohn, u(nd) kaufte in Adlischwil wo er starb.
Starb (Monday) 19. Mai / B(e)gr(aben) (Thursday) 22. (Mai 1828)
DeepL
Hans Caspar Schwarzenbach
of Adlischwil, died of old age, aged 70 y, 4 m, 11 t [b(aptizatus) 08.01.1758] [owned a farm in Waldi-...., left it to his son, and bought in Adlischwil where he died.
Died (Monday) May 19 / B(e)gr(aben) (Thursday) 22 (May 1828)
Notes: Hans Caspar Schwarzenbach died from age-related weakness, aged 70y 3m 11d (which fits his baptismal date exactly). He had owned a "Hof" (literally a farm, more likely just some premises) in Wäldi (cannot identify the name of the premises), which he left to his son (I guess. Elisabeth was his second wife), after he bought something (like a care place - is not mentioned) in Allschwil, where he died.1831 Elisabetha Sidler burial 12 November TotReg_Ottenbach_E_III_88_5_S_593_ganz |
Research:
These are the only two Schwarzenbach and Goz documents I found in the 1728 Kirchberg Bevölkerungsverzeichnis:
1728 Heinrich Schwarzenbach Kilchberg Bevölkerungsverzeichnis film 8014127 page 708, his mother's last name was Rellstab. |
In 1728 Heinrich and Regula Hoz Schwarzenbacher family are listed:
Father: Heinrich 22 April 1672
Mother: Esther Rellstab (see 1728 census below) 1787 6 Oct?
Kinder:
Hans Kasper 31 June 1708
Anna Barbara 29 August 1713
Esther 19 August 1716
Hans Jakob 29 January 1719
Hans 22 October 1721
Father: Heinrich 22 April 1672
Mother: Esther Rellstab (see 1728 census below) 1787 6 Oct?
Kinder:
Hans Kasper 31 June 1708
Anna Barbara 29 August 1713
Esther 19 August 1716
Hans Jakob 29 January 1719
Hans 22 October 1721
1728 Regula Hoz - Kilchberg Bevölkerungsverzeichnis film 8014127 page 710, item 6 |
Sidler and Hegetschweiler Temple Record by Julius Billeter page 49 Hans Kaspar Schwarzenbach is listed as the second husband. |