Hans Jakob Sidler was born on a brisk January 3rd morning, 1706 to Kaspar Sidler b 1663 - and Anna Wilder 1683 - 1749. (modern spelling Wyder) The record below has the marriage of Kaspar and Anna marriage as 5 January 1706 in Zurich. Billeter and the 1749 Bevölkerungsverzeichnis both had Jakob's birth/baptism 3 January 1706 in Ottenbach. So the couple married two days after the birth of their first child.
Wolf: I have noticed that - but at least on the page you sent me (and have on your blog) there is no corresponding entry. If the date is correct (and there is no entry out of sequence in Ottenbach) he must have been baptised somewhere else; unfortunately Billeter doesn't quote a source (the Bevölkerungsverzeichnis?) - nor is the place of baptism mentioned in the Bevölkerungsverzeichnis (as usual - one may just tend to assume the same parish).
Note: Keep in mind that the parents got married just two days after their son's baptism - with permission by the Marital Court (required in such a case): they may have chosen not to have the son baptised in their home parish(?).
This was the second marriage for Kaspar b 1663. Kaspar's first marriage may have been to Anna Katharina Moos. (no sources in FS) (Jakob's baptismal record was not recorded, however his birth date is found in the 1949 Bevölkerungsverzeichnis. See below.) Jakob was the oldest of 5 children. He married Anna Hug after the death of her 32 year old first husband Hans Ulrich Sidler. The two married 6 March 1747. That was 2 and a half years after the death of Anna's previous husband. Jakob married late in life. He was 41 when they married and Anna was 38. Sill, they had 3 children together. Their oldest daughter turned out to be one of the most amazing women in the Sidler line. Her name was Elisabetha Sidler . Jakob died 2 October 1771 in Ottenbach. Jakob lived 65 years 8 months 30 days. He died of Hydrope.
Hydrops fetalis (fetal hydrops) is a pathologic condition of excessive accumulation of fluid in at least two extravascular compartments, including fetal soft tissues and body cavities.
What happened to their three children:
Elisabetha 10 Dec 1747, marries and has 15 children, 2
husbands and lots of descendants
Jakob born 1749 dies about a year later.
Jakob born 1749 dies about a year later.
Katharina born 11 March 1753 dies 14 years later
During their lives:
1742 In Ottenbach there are 543 people, 122 are adults and
are 4.5 people per home meaning there were 120 homes in the community. (Ottenbach Told by Bernard Schnider and
Salomon Schneider and Erika Schmid)
1710 - 1772 On the
occasion of the famine, Zurich enforces potato cultivation in all rural
communities
1600 - 1800 Switzerland is a loose confederacy of 13 cities
and small valley communities dominating the rest of the country. A few families
control state affairs. The country is proud of its tradition of democracy.
(Ottenbach Municipality website)
Clothing
In the 1700s most people made their own clothing using
natural items such as wool, flax, or animal hides. They grew the flax plant to
make the linen thread and raised sheep for the wool. A spinning wheel was used
to make thread from the wool or flax which was then woven into fabric or
knitted into socks, hats, scarves, or mittens. (Ferree Reunion Website)
Documents related to Hans Jakob Sidler:
I have now summarized what we know about Hans Jacob under Hans Jacob Sidler (1706-1771) oo Anna Hug - including the open questions. I assume Barbara ("privigna" = step sister) is Anna Hug's daughter (with Hans Ulrich Sidler): would be nice if this could be confirmed by the corresponding baptismal entry. See below:
Hans Jacob Sidler (1706-1771) oo Anna Hug
Unread post by Wolf “ Tue 19 Nov 2024, 08:34
Hans Jakob Sidler, ≈ (where?) 03.01.1706 [§], son of Caspar (oo ZH-Grossmünster 05.01.1706) Anna Wydler (Wyder) of Erlenbach ZH , + early Oct.1771 [ §]
oo Ottenbach 06.03.1747
Anna Hug [ §§], ≈ 31.03.1709, + Ottenbach 18.03.1773.
Children (according to population register 1749):
13.11.1740 Barbara “privigna” (stepsister) [§§]
10.12.1747 Lisabeth oo Ottenbach 26.01.1768 Hans Rudolf Sidler
Baptism: [§] The baptism date is taken from the population register of 1749. There is no corresponding baptism entry in Ottenbach, at least not on the chronologically expected page in the baptismal register. The father's name (Caspar) is mentioned in the marriage entry for 1747.
Note: The marriage 05.01.1706 ZH-Grossmünster takes place “perm. Consist.” (with the permission of the marriage court) only 2 days after the baptism of the son Hans Jacob: he was therefore born out of wedlock - perhaps this is why they were reluctant to have him baptized in the home parish (there is also no corresponding baptism entry in Erlenbach).
Question: On 07.02.1706, however, a Jacob was baptized in Ottenbach, the son of a Jacob (not Caspar) Sidler. The age given in the death entry (early Oct.1771) of Hans Jacob Sidler matches this baptism quite closely: could the priest have made a mistake in the death entry - did he assume that the deceased was the person baptized on 07.02.1706 because of the missing baptism entry of 03.01. - or does the death entry refer to a different person (the wife of the deceased, who was still alive at this time, is not mentioned, which is rather unusual)?
Note: [Anna Hug was married to Hans Ulrich Sidler in her first marriage (Ottenbach 25.11.1732). Barbara, who was baptized on 13.11.1740, is probably (baptismal entry
Unread post by Wolf “ Tue 19 Nov 2024, 08:34
Hans Jakob Sidler, ≈ (where?) 03.01.1706 [§], son of Caspar (oo ZH-Grossmünster 05.01.1706) Anna Wydler (Wyder) of Erlenbach ZH , + early Oct.1771 [ §]
oo Ottenbach 06.03.1747
Anna Hug [ §§], ≈ 31.03.1709, + Ottenbach 18.03.1773.
Children (according to population register 1749):
13.11.1740 Barbara “privigna” (stepsister) [§§]
10.12.1747 Lisabeth oo Ottenbach 26.01.1768 Hans Rudolf Sidler
Baptism: [§] The baptism date is taken from the population register of 1749. There is no corresponding baptism entry in Ottenbach, at least not on the chronologically expected page in the baptismal register. The father's name (Caspar) is mentioned in the marriage entry for 1747.
Note: The marriage 05.01.1706 ZH-Grossmünster takes place “perm. Consist.” (with the permission of the marriage court) only 2 days after the baptism of the son Hans Jacob: he was therefore born out of wedlock - perhaps this is why they were reluctant to have him baptized in the home parish (there is also no corresponding baptism entry in Erlenbach).
Question: On 07.02.1706, however, a Jacob was baptized in Ottenbach, the son of a Jacob (not Caspar) Sidler. The age given in the death entry (early Oct.1771) of Hans Jacob Sidler matches this baptism quite closely: could the priest have made a mistake in the death entry - did he assume that the deceased was the person baptized on 07.02.1706 because of the missing baptism entry of 03.01. - or does the death entry refer to a different person (the wife of the deceased, who was still alive at this time, is not mentioned, which is rather unusual)?
Note: [Anna Hug was married to Hans Ulrich Sidler in her first marriage (Ottenbach 25.11.1732). Barbara, who was baptized on 13.11.1740, is probably (baptismal entry
Kent:
There were two Barbaras. The first: 1739 Barbara Sidler 23 Aug Father Hans Ulrich, mother Anna Hug Ottenbach page 345.
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| 1739 Barbara Sidler baptism 23 Aug Father Hans Ulrich, mother Anna Hug Ottenbach page 345, died young |
And the second Barbara:
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| 1740 Barbara Sidler baptism 13 Nov Ulrich father Anna Hug mother Ottenbach page 413 |
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| 1632 Anna Grob 11 November baptism film Ottenbach page 124 |
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| 1658 Rudi Sydler marriage to Anna Grob 2 Feb Ottenbach film page 346 |
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| 1663 Jakob Sidler baptism 21 June father Rudi, mother Anna Grob Ottenbach page 192 Jakob's father |
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| 1695 Bevölkerungsverzeichnis Rudi Sidler and Anna Grob with their son Caspar Sidler b 21 June 1663 film 008014130 page 475 Hans Jakob Sidler's father is Caspar and gf Rudolph Sidler deceased |
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| 1706 Jakob Sidler birth 3 January Ottenbach film 8014328 page 286 |
Wolf:
Here we have on 07.02.1706 the baptism of a Jakob (no Hans) Sidler, son of Jacob Sidler and Maria Peyrin(?) "auß dem Markgräfler Land" (Germany). Not only too early - also this is the "wrong" father.
Wolf:
[The baptism date is taken from the population register of 1749. There is no corresponding baptism entry in Ottenbach, at least not on the chronologically expected page in the baptismal register. The father's name (Caspar) is mentioned in the marriage entry for 1747.
The marriage 05.01.1706 ZH-Grossmünster takes place “perm. Consist.” (with the permission of the marriage court) only 2 days after the baptism of the son Hans Jacob: he was therefore born out of wedlock - perhaps this is why they were reluctant to have him baptized in the home parish (there is also no corresponding baptism entry in Erlenbach).
On 07.02.1706, however, a Jacob was baptized in Ottenbach, the son of a Jacob (not Caspar) Sidler. The age given in the death entry (early Oct. 1771) of Hans Jacob Sidler matches this baptism quite closely: could the priest have made a mistake in the death entry - did he assume that the deceased was the person baptized on 7 Feb. 1706 because of the missing baptism entry of 3 Jan. - or does the death entry refer to a different person (the deceased's wife, who was still alive at the time, is not mentioned, which is rather unusual)?
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| Jakob Sidler, baptized Wollishofen 9.1.1706. Parents: Kaspar Sidler of Ottenbach, Anna Wyder, of Erlenbach. |
Wolf:
SUPPLEMENT - I would like to thank Hans Ulrich Pfister for the following addition:
The Sidler baptism you are looking for can be found in the Wollishofen church register: Jakob Sidler, baptized Wollishofen 9.1.1706. Parents: Kaspar Sidler of Ottenbach, Anna Wyder, of Erlenbach. Note: “Secundo die post copulationem hunc puellum peperit.”
“She gave birth to this boy on the second day after the marriage.” According to the marriage register, the marriage took place on 05.01.1706 - so the birth would have taken place on 07.01. and the baptism on 09.01.1706 - a slight deviation from the date 03.01.1706 from the population register.
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| Closeup: Zürich-Grossmünster |
Wolf:
Last line: "Erlibach" (today Erlenbach) "pm. Consist." - with permission of the Marital Court - required if the bride was pregnant or a child had already been born out of wedlock.
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| 1708 Bevölkerungsverzeichnis Kaspar Sidler and Anna Wylder film 007765851 page 658 Jakob is the son |
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| 1709 Johannes Sidler baptism 20 January Kaspar father, Anna Wydler mother Ottenbach page 295 |
Keep in mind that the parents got married just two days after their son's baptism - with permission by the Marital Court (required in such a case): they may have chosen not to have the son baptised in their home parish(?).
Kent:
Kaspar Sidler and Anna Wilder had three children after Jakob b 1706. (I looked in vain for Kaspar and Anna's marriage on 5 Jan 1706) Did you locate their marriage?
Anna b 6 Feb 1707, Johannes b 20 Jan 1709 and Anna Barbara b 15 Dec. 1715. The interesting thing is that I found Johannes' baptismal record, below, however Anna and Jakob are not in the Ottenbach record. This supports your idea that Jakob b 1706 was baptized somewhere else.
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| 1715 Anna Barbara Sidler baptism 15 Dec Ottenbach film 008014328 page 707 |
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| 1747 Jakob Sidler and Anna Hug marriage 6 March film 8014328 page 579 |
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Jakob Sidler Anna Hug in the 1749 Bevölkerungsverzeichnis with Elisabeth born 1747 film 8014124 FHL page 97  Ottenbach-BV_E-II-700-79_12_1749-Sidler&Hug-f008014124-p97-Hans-Caspar-unbekannt |
Wolf:
22.09.1720 Hans Jacob, according to the population register “NB: is unknown where he is and the community does not want to recognize him as a community member”.
Kent Translation: 1749 Bevölkerungsverzeichnis
Jacob Sidler b 3 Jan 1706 J. Com (J: Testimony) (Com: has gone to the Lord's table)
Anna Hug 31 March 1709 J. Com. (J: Testimony) (Com: has gone to the Lord's table)
Kinder:
Barbara privignu? (stepdaughter) 13 Nov 1740 Decal (Decalogum (The Ten Commandments))
Lisabeth 10 Dec 1747
???
Jacob Sidler b 3 Jan 1706 J. Com (J: Testimony) (Com: has gone to the Lord's table)
Anna Hug 31 March 1709 J. Com. (J: Testimony) (Com: has gone to the Lord's table)
Kinder:
Barbara privignu? (stepdaughter) 13 Nov 1740 Decal (Decalogum (The Ten Commandments))
Lisabeth 10 Dec 1747
???
Lisabeth Sidler born 10 Dec 1747 (2 years old)
In the future they will have 2 more children:
Jakob Sidler born 1749 dies about a year later.
Katharina Sidler born 11 March 1753 dies 14 years later.
In the future they will have 2 more children:
Jakob Sidler born 1749 dies about a year later.
Katharina Sidler born 11 March 1753 dies 14 years later.
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| 1749 Anna Wydler burial 21 June Ottenbach page 631 |
As you are asking about the cause of death: unless I'm mistaken, none is mentioned. There is a longish text in this column - which (I believe) is connected completely with the previous entry. I wanted this to be confirmed and therefore have posted the problem on Anna Wydler (1683 - 1749): Todesursache?.
Note: Schützemmeister (rifle master - some sort of military rank) Rudolf Sidler had been kicked by a horse in the commons and died in the "Spital", where he also hed held some sort of position (Abwart?). It may just have been lack of space why nothing was noted.
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| 1771 Hans Jacob Sidler death 2 October film 8014328 page 683 |
Jakob lived 65 years 8 months 30 days
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| 1773 Anna Hug death 18 March Ottenbach page 687 |
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| Hegetschweiler Sidler Temple Record by Julius Billeter pages 30, 31 Hans Jakob's family and parents. Two of the five children are married. |
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| Sidler and Hegetschweiler Temple Record book by Julius Billeter pages 38 - 39 Anna Hug's first marriage to Hans Ulrich Sidler b 1712 |
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| Sidler and Hegetschweiler Temple Record book by Julius Billeter pages 41, 42 Jakob's family with Anna Hug and their children including Elisabetha |