What happened to their children?
Ludwig Sidler b 1610-1688 married Elsbeth Schneebeli and Verena Grob, 11 children with first wife, 5 children married, lived to be 77 years 11 months 29 days
Hans Heinrich Sidler b 1615 infant death
Anna Sidler b 1617-1665 her mother Katharina died when Anna was 12 years old, married Jakob Bär, according to FS has 15 children (unverified), her first 5 children died in infancy, some twins, lived 47 years 10 months 13 days.
Verena Sidler b 1619 infant death
Othmar Sidler b 1621 infant death
Barbara Sidler b 1623-1623 lived 3 months
Walthar Sidler b 1625-1628 lived 3 years
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Johannes
Sidler born 22 September 1583 film 8104328 page 48
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22 Septembris [1583]
E(ltern): Hans Sidler, Madalena Stëlÿn
K(ind): Joannes
LH54-T2P Joannes Bluntschlÿ dieser Zitt Pfarrer zu Ottenbach, Barbara Götschin
Correct: Joannes Bluntschli was pastor of Ottenbach at the time.
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| 1625 Hans Sydler death #22 Ottenbach film 8014328 page 176 |
Wolf:
1625 #22: verkündt 7 Aug 25: Hans Sydler, Heinis Sun.
The death was announced 07 Aug 1625 - with the father mentioned - so this was a child. 1625 is not a possibility anyway - Hans' "Hußfrouw" died 1627 - not his widow: Hans Sidler (born 1583 was alive in 1627.
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| 1664 Hans Sidler burial 15 Sep film 8-014328 page 368 |
15 Sep 1664: Hanßli, Hanß Sÿdlers Stehlis allhir eh(liches) Söhnli.
Again a child - son of Hans Sidler Stehlis: Stehlis could be a nickname for the Sidler line from a Sidler married to a Stehli. As Sidler was such a common name in the parish it would have been common to have nicknames for lines, could be to a profession, behaviour or a maternal line.
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| 1667 Hans Sidler buial 12 June film 008014328 page 369 |
12 Junij 1667: Hanßli, Hans Sÿdlers gnt. Strehli hir eh(liches) Söhnli
Younger brother oft the above - proving that Stehli(s) (gnt. = genannt = named/called) is the nickname of a Sidler line.
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| 1675 Hans Sidler death 20 Feb film 8014328 page 373 Ottenbach |
20 Februa(r) 1675: Hannß Sÿdler der Jung allhir zu Ottenbach.
"der Jung" usually implies that at the time two men with the same name lived in the parish. The Hans in question was born 1583, i.e. about 92 years old - unlikely the younger one of two being alive then.
Conclusion: none of these four entries will be the death record for Hans (born 1583). As the death records are not complete, most likely Hans' death will fall into this gap - but how large is the gap? You mention 1644-1659 ... but this does not agree with the State Archive catalogue: yes, there is a gap, but should be much shorter. Here is the info from the catalogue:
E III 88.3: Tote 1658-1739.
E III 88.2: Tote 1647-1655, 1623-1636, 1641-1647. This indicates that the records are not kept chronologically correct, but there is a mess - but the actual gap should only be 1637-1640. I would therefore recommend you check whether you can find the "missing years" - might include a few more Hans Sidler entries.
Note: There is an additional note: Tote 1647-1657: 1656: Tod zweier Bürger durch Ertrinken in der Reuss. So there might be another small section covering special circumstances 1647-1657 (although possibly just the one in 1656).
Note: Have you checked Bevölkerungsverzeichnisse Ottenbach yet? The oldest one is dated 1634 and could include the answer to your search … see directly at https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSVK-N9NX-Z.
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| Sidler and Hegetschweiler Temple Record Book by Julius Billeter page 7 |
Slow 😉 - you have to clearly distinguish between the State Archive (as an institution) and the resources they hold (which can be researched in their catalogue). To sort the catalogue all archives will have signature numbers. In the catalogue entry there will be a more or less detailed description of a given source - but (at least for the sources of interest in genealogy in ZH) there are no digitized documents available online.
Bevölkerungsverzeichnisse are some sort of census, compiled by the pastors. They usually contain info on religious education, but more important for genealogy are 1) the compilation of entire families (similar to Familien-/Bürgerregister), though at a given time (e.g. children already married will not be included any longer, but have their separate entries), and 2) that they may contain baptismal, marriage or (rarely even) death dates which (e.g. in case of gaps) you don't find in the baptismal, marriage or death registers; if no dates are given, at least ages will be given, allowing you to estimate e.g. years of birth. This is why I would check these records next! See Geneal-Forum for a few examples.
You are looking for the death entry of Hans Sidler (1583). We know he was alive in 1627 - is he still listed in the 1634 Bevölkerungsverzeichnis? This will tell us if he died before or after 1634, and so on, even if no direct death information is given.
The Zurich Archives are a different story. Yes - a completely different story - not a source, but an institution - two things you cannot compare.
The Zürcher Ehedatenbank (EDB) is something special: an index database of all marriage entries in canton Zürich prior to 1800 - starting with the oldest records surviving until today (1525 city of Zürich) … so marriages 1500s and 1600s are included if(!) the corresponding records still exist. The data were collected privately, later bought by the State Archive and integrated into their catalogue: each entry was given a signature number to be found under each marriage register in the catalogue. Whilst you can search for them using the standard catalogue search, they have programmed this special search tool just for this database.
In the Sidler list on Geneal-Forum I have included links to EDB for all marriages included in EDB. For two generations I have found no data in EDB - so most likely the corresponding marriage records have not survived - or the couples got married outside the canton - or the entries were missed when compiling the index (which cannot be excluded, of course).