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Johannes Sidler b 1777 had an older brother named Caspar born in
1772. Caspar married Elisabetha Hegetschweiler in 1799. She gave birth to
a still born child on 24 September 1800. Two days later Elisabetha died at age
23. Caspar and his second wife, Margaretha Berli, had three children. Caspar
died in 1811 at 39.
Fourteen months later, when Johannes was 35 years old he had a
child out of wedlock with his older brother's widow, Margaretha Berli. He
fathered Hans Jakob Sidler on 14 September 1812. (Temple Record Sidler and
Hegetschweiler, by Julius Billeter, page 74 and Zürich Archives Family Record E
III 88.19, S. 434 and E III 88.19 S. 550.)
Note: According to the marriage court judgment of June 4, 1812 (No. 82), a child, named H(an)s Jacob Sidler, of Ottenbach, was born to unmarried parents, namely Johannes Sidler (single) and Margaretha Sidler, née (orene) Beerli (widow). His baptismal witnesses are: H(an)s Jacob Beerli and Dorothea Bär née(orene) Sidler, both of Ottenbach.
Marriage impediments (Hist. Lex. der Schweiz):
Note: With regard to degrees of kinship, the law varied according to denomination. The dispensations granted in Catholic areas permitted the marriage of cousins, sororate and levirate, while in Reformed areas such unions were annulled until the 1830s.
Note: The deceased Caspar and his wife were not childless - in this respect, a levirate marriage would not apply here - but did consanguinity nevertheless constitute an impediment to marriage in the canton of ZH in 1812?
Jakob Sidler married Anna Sidler 9 October 1836 in
Ottenbach. They had five children:
1. Verena born 5 March 1837 (joined The Church
of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints on 30 March 1856),
2. Barbara born 17 June
1842 (had an illegitimate son named Jakob)
3. Anna 12 December 1844,
4. Lizabeth 8
December 1846 and
5. Johannes born 20 March 1854.
All girls married.
Anna Sidler von Ottenbach, *23.04.1811, +19.01.1900
5 Kinder 1837-1854: siehe Familienregister.
1.8.1.1) Verena, * 05.03.1837, ≈ 12.03.1837, oo 1866 Rudolf Suter von Affoltern am Albis (Zwillikon)
1.8.1.2) Barbara, * 17.06.1842, ≈ 26.06.1842, oo 06.07.1878 Eduard Nägeli von Kilchberg
1.8.1.2.1) Jakob (spurius), * 14.12.1863, ≈ Kilchberg 30.03.1864, † 24.03.1865
1.8.1.3) Anna, * 02.12.1844, ≈ 02.12.1844, oo 1864 Jakob Nievergelt von Stallikon (Gamlikon), † 28.12.1914
1.8.1.4) Lisabeth, * 08.12.1846, ≈ 27.12.1846, oo 21.05.1875 Wilhelm Glättli von Bonstetten
1.8.1.5) Johannes, * 20.03.1851, ≈ 21.03.1851, † 08.03.1854
Verena Sidler age 19, born 5 March 1837, oldest daughter of
Jakob Sidler born 1812 baptized 30 March 1856 by D Bonnelli, confirmed H Bar.
(Note: Verena's father Jakob Sidler lived with Barbara, Anna and Susanna
because he was their half brother. Verena is Johannes granddaughter.) (page 21
microfilm 128145)
Jakob died 28 December 1869. He lived 57 years 3 months 14
days. Anna died at 85 on the 19th of January 1900 which is a record in
the Sidler family. She lived 31 years without Jakob. Jakob's death record says he was a Brauer = brewer.
Documents relating to Jakob
Sidler:
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| 1812 Jakob Sidler birth Ottenbach film 008126955 page 989 |
Transcription: Ein laut Ehegerichtlichem Urtheil sub 4. Junii 1812 (No. 82) ehlich gesprochener aber von unverehlichten Aeltern [...] nämlich Johannes Sidler (ledig) u(nd) Margaretha Sidler geb(orene) Beerli (Witwe) erzeugtes Käblein, Namens H(an)s Jacob Sidler, v(on) Ottenbach. Deßen Taufzeugen sind: H(an)s Jacob Beerli und Dorothea Bär geb(orene) Sidler, beÿde von Ottenbach.
born 14. Sept. 1812 / baptised 15. Sept. 1812.
Translation: The father (Johannes Sidler) had been born out of wedlock, but was declared legitimate by the Marital Court on 4 June 1812; he was single. Mother was Margaretha Beerli, widowed Sidler. Child was Hans Jacob Sidler.
Witnesses were Hans Jacob Beerli and Dorothea Sidler (married Bär), both from Ottenbach.
Thought: Dorothea Sidler (married Bär): the couple getting married 1792 could be the right one - another couple with identical names married after 1800 cannot be excluded.
Thought: Dorothea Sidler (married Bär): the couple getting married 1792 could be the right one - another couple with identical names married after 1800 cannot be excluded.
Kent: Dorothea Sidler married Caspar Bär in Ottenbach 4 Dec 1792. Her FS ID is KH3M-22D.
Note: The Marital Court decision of June 1812 refers to the birth of Hans Jacob, born Sep 1812? That means, this decision was taken before the child was born?
Kent: Yes.
Wolf: Hans Jakob Sidler, * Ottenbach 14.09. / ≈ 15.09.1812 as son of Johannes and Margaretha Berli, widow of brother Caspar Sidler, † Ottenbach 28.12.1869 / ■ 01.01.1870
According to the marriage court judgment of June 4, 1812 (No. 82), a child born to unmarried parents [deleted?], namely Johannes Sidler (single) and Margaretha Sidler, née (orene) Beerli (widow), named H(an)s Jacob Sidler, of Ottenbach. His baptismal witnesses are: H(an)s Jacob Beerli and Dorothea Bär née(orene) Sidler, both of Ottenbach.
Kent: Dorothea Sidler b 1769 is a daughter of Rudolf Sidler b 1742. Her ID is KH3M-22D.
Question: Were the parents not allowed to marry, as the mother's previous marriage to the father's brother was an impediment to marriage?
Hello Wolf:
*Marriage with siblings of deceased or divorced spouses, as well as with spouses of deceased or divorced siblings, was actually forbidden under the Matrimonial Act of 1811. The two may have (unknowingly) made an illicit promise of marriage to each other, which then had to be annulled by the marriage court. In such a case, the child from this relationship nevertheless received all the rights of a legitimate child; this also applied to marriages that were annulled by the court for various reasons.
*Like Bern, Zurich had a central marriage court until 1831. However, the powers of the local stillstand were less extensive than those of the local marriage courts in Bern. The minutes of the Zurich marriage court can be found here.
Peter
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| 1836 Jakob marriage to Anna Sidler 9 Oct Ottenbach film 008126955 page 875 |
Wolf: I assume you mean beÿde (= both) von Ottenbach.
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| 1869 Jakob Sidler death 5 Apr bur 9 Apr Ottenbach film 008126955 page 597 |
Jakob Sidler 28 December1869, death. Buried 1 January 1870
Jakob lived 57 years 3 months and 14 days. He was born 14 September 1812. His Familybook pedigree is on page 550.
Wolf:
The word after Jakob Sidler is read Brauer (= brewer) - his profession.
Kent: Definitions of brewer. noun. someone who brews beer or ale from malt and hops and water. synonyms: beer maker. type of: maker, shaper.
The word after Jakob Sidler is read Brauer (= brewer) - his profession.
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| 1777 Johannes Sidler Familienregister from Zürich Archive |
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| 1812 Jakob Sidler and Anna Sidler Familienregister Jakob's daughter Barbara, born 17 June 1842, had an illegitimate child named Jakob born 12 December 1863 and baptized 20 Feb 1864, died 24 March 1865 |
Is this the illegitimate child of Jakob's second daughter, Barbara Sidler b 1842?
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| 1863 Jakob birth no father ZH, December 14 Mother is Barbara Sidler from Ottenbach, record from Kilchberg film 008194792 page 4 |
We know from the Familienregister that Barbara had an illegitimate (spurius) son Jakob:
Jakob, Spur(ius) v(on) Barbara, n(atus) 14 XII 1863, b(aptizatus) 30 III 1863, ob(iit) 25 III 1865.
Dates of birth and baptism agree, the mother is not local but from Ottenbach - so this is definitely the same person. Jakob will have been baptised in Kilchberg - he may have been born there as well, but this is not for sure. The long time passed between birth and baptism will likely be connected with the complicated situation of an illegitimate child.
Your assumptions re witnesses seem plausible.
Note the meaning of "spurius".
Kent:
No death found for Jakob in Kilchberg. The Ottenbach records are missing the year 1865; all other years are present. The time between birth, 14 December 1863 and baptism, 20 March 1864 was 3 months 6 days. Much more time than normal.
Note: Kilchberg is the town that Barbara's (b 1842) eventual husband Eduard Nägeli comes from. No marriage date in FS or Ancestry.
Question: Did Barbara Sidler leave Ottenbach to have her illegitimate child in Kilchberg for privacy reasons or to be with family? Is this where Barbara met her husband?
Witnesses: Jakob Berli from Ottenbach and Verena Sidler.
1. The first witness could be Jakob Berli 1814-1889. Jakob Berli is the husband of Jakob Sidler's (b 1812) half sister Barbara Sidler 1825-1895. (Jakob Sidler and Barbara Sidler are Jakob's (b 1863), great-aunt and great-uncle.)
2. Barbara's older sister, Verena Sidler born 5 March 1837, may well be the second witness.
Husband: "Spur" means illegitimate.
Wolf: For the titles I use the (translated) terms used for the church records in Switzerland: Taufrodel / Eherodel / Totenrodel - resulting in baptism / marriage / death. This entry is from the Taufrodel (consequently baptism) with relevant dates in 1863 and 1864 - which is why both years show up in the title - not to imply that a baptism had taken place before birth.Baptism before birth is rather uncommon - but did happen in catholic regions: if the risk of a child being stillborn (and that could not be baptized) was considered too high, the midwife would use some sort of syringe to baptize the child in the uterus.
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| Hans Jakob Sidler Family from Sidler Temple Record book by Julius Billeter page 80 |