Veronica was born 25 December 1670 to Hans Heinrich Häberling and Veronica Gutt in Ottenbach. She received communion as a teenager and went to church at the Ottenbach Reformed Church. Häberling is one of the founding families in Ottenbach and many relatives can be found in the Ottenbach Kirche records.
Veronica Häberling (Vernoica on her birth and death records) married Jakob Sidler 6 December 1890 in Ottenbach. He was a Sekelmeister or treasurer in Ottenbach. They had seven children all who lived into adulthood. Six of the seven children married. She lived 57 years 6 months 1 day. Her husband Jakob Sidler lived another 13 years on his own.
What happened to Veronica's children?
Othmar Sidler 1691-1746 married Elsbeth Sidler, had 10 children, 4 married, he was a sekelmeister, adjudant in Ottenbach, he lived 54 years 1 month 28 days,
Anna Sidler 1693-1762 married Heinrich Sidler, 6 children 17 days, lived 68 years 11 months 18 days
David Sidler 1696-1720
David Sidler 1696-1720
married Elisabetha Funk on 8 May 1719, had one child, Elisabetha on 11 February 1720 in Ottenbach. 7 months 16 days later David died in Flandern which translated means Belgium, David lived 23 years 10 months 8 days
Katharina Sidler 1698- at least 1737, married Melchior Sidler, had 7 children, 3 married and large posterity
Anna Sidler 1702-1752 married Heinrich Sidler, had 7 children, lived 49 years 11 mo 7 days
Hans Kaspar Sidler 1705-1768
Anna Sidler 1702-1752 married Heinrich Sidler, had 7 children, lived 49 years 11 mo 7 days
Hans Kaspar Sidler 1705-1768
married Veronica Schneebeli who was four years younger and they had 5 children. She died in 1746 when she was just 37 years old and a year later, married Elisabeth Schneebeli of Affoltern, a relative but not a sister to his first wife. They had one child in 1751. Hans died 17 years later in 1768,. lived 62 years 10 months 2 days, large posterity
Melchior Sidler 1707-1765 married Anna Schneebeli, 8 children, lived 57 years 10 mo 4 days
During their lives:
1727 Ottenbach plans for the construction of a Reuss bridge which fails because of the resistance of Lucerne. Ottenbach can continue to ferry their goods and citizens beyond the Reuss. (Ottenbach Municipality website)
1700 In Muri Monastery, counseling takes place between Lucerne and Zurich MPs about tithing from Ottenbach.
1712. For the sake of the war, the following is determined: The tithe, who belongs to the church there on Merisch wander Boden from Ottenbacher goods, is readily available; Lucerne again receives a travel certificate for moving the tenth to Ottenbach. (Obfelden, Gedenkschrift zum 50-jährigen Bestand der Gemeinde, Oktober 1897)
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| Veroneck Häberling birth 25 September 1670 film 8014328 page 207 |
Eodem (= 25 Sep 1670)
Kind: Veroneck
Elteren: Hannß Heinrich Häberlig zu Bickw(il) / Veroneck Gutin
Zeügen: M(eister?) Hannß Heinrich Müller zu Rickenb(ach) / Thrina Wÿdlerin
There is also the name Schneeweli mentioned - which I cannot interpret - does it belong to HH Müller or Thrina Wÿdlerin or neither?
Wolf:
I had another look at this entry: from the context the Schneeweli only makes sense as a location. Rickenbach (in this context) will be the hamlet Rickenbach, part of Ottenbach. Schneeweli/Schneebeli have been citizens of Ottenbach since before 1800: was there a Schneeweli farm (or the like) in Rickenbach?
Mühlen in Ottenbach: 1667 Hans Schneebeli heiratet in 2. ehe Elsbeth Stolz des Pfarrers Max Stolz v. Affoltern. Kaufbrief 2. Januar 1668: Jagli Frey Müller zu Rickenbach hat hans Schneewely dem Müller daselbst zu kaufen gäben den ganzen gewerb wie er im 42. und 43. blatt dieses buches beschrieben. Dermalen steht daruf 3783 fl sh (Gulden, Schilling) Kaufsumme 6050 fl … Is the surname used
to define a location, the mill and surroundings?
Translation:
Mills in Ottenbach: 1667 Hans Schneebeli marries Elsbeth Stolz of the pastor Max Stolz of Affoltern in 2nd marriage. Bill of sale January 2, 1668: Jagli Frey Müller zu Rickenbach has given Hans Schneebeli the miller there to buy the entire trade as described in the 42nd and 43rd sheets of this book. The total is 3783 fl sh (florins, shillings) Purchase price 6050 fl ... Is the surname used to define a location, the mill and surroundings?
Notes: On 25.09.1670 Veronica Häberling, daughter of Hans Heinrich Häberling zu Bickwil and Veronica Gut, later wife of Jacob Sidler, is baptized in Ottenbach:
Ottenbach-Baptism-1670-0925-Häberling-Veroneck.jpg
The witness is (master or miller?) Hans Heinrich Müller zu Rickenbach-Schneeweli. The addition refers to the Schneeweli/Schneebeli family - but is not mentioned as a place name in https://ortsnamen.ch/.
In the typescript of the Rickenbach mill near Ottenbach one finds:
1667 Hans Schneebeli marries in 2nd marriage Elsbeth Stolz of the pastor Max Stolz v. Affoltern.
Bill of sale January 2, 1668: Jagli Frey Müller zu Rickenbach has given Hans Schneebeli the miller there to buy the entire trade as described in the 42nd and 43rd sheets of this book. The total is 3783 fl sh (florins, shillings) Purchase price 6050 fl
Ottenbach-Mill-Rickenbach.jpg
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| Mill in Rickenbach |
So a Hans Schneewely bought this mill in 1668: is that why this surname was used as a place name? Was the witness Hans Heinrich Müller related to the seller Jagli Frey Müller? Or is “Müller” here not a family name at all (my guess), but the profession of Hans Heinrich (possible as a family name, but according to the family name book not in the canton of Zurich) and of Jagli Frey/Frei (citizen of Ottenbach since before 1800)?
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| Small village with mill at the Lindenbach south of Ottenbach on the right side of the Reuss. Not far from it is the Aargau Rickenbach, Gde, on the left side of the Reuss. Merenschwand AG). [2] |
About this situation I have posted a question to Geneal-Forum.
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| Rickenbach/Ottenbach mill shortly before the demolition in 1969 |
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| Jacob Sidler married 9 Dec 1690 Verena film 8014328 page 355 |
Auff den 9. Xbris (= 09 Dec 1690)
Joglj Seidler auch von Ottenbach vnd Vroni Häberlig von Bickwi
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| Jacob Sidler and Verena Haberling 1708 Church Census film 7765851 page 656 |
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| Veronica Haberling death 26 March 1728 film 8014328 page 400 number 7 |
7. Veronica Häberlig, Jacob Sÿdlers Eheweib zu Ottenbach den 16. dito (= 16 Mar 1728)
Note that there is a 21 dito afterwards - and then 11 April.
Eheweib = wife.
Dito = the same (in this case: March).
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| Sidler Hegetschweiler Billeter - 025 |