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| Storks roost on the Ottenbach Kirche |
Elisabetha and her brother Johannes and his wife Susanne Jenta must have spent time together and I'm sure their families knew each other well. Johannes Sidler's children were quite a bit older but his illegitimate son Jakob who was born in 1812 was only 3 years older than Melchior, Elisabetha's oldest stepchild.
Elisabetha Sidler lived to be 49 years old both dying in 1828. Her death record written by Ottenbach Pastor Jakob Locher says: "Elizabeth Sidler legitimate surviving daughter of Rudolf Sidler, 49 years 10 days." No reason is given for her death.
During their lifetime:
1799 Construction of the political community of Ottenbach, which also includes the five Obfelder hamlets. The quartering of French troops leads to a debt of the community. Ottenbach counts at that time many unemployed textile homeworkers. (Ottenbach Municipality website, Ottenbach Told by Bernard Schnider and Salomon Schneider and Erika Schmid)
1798 French army under the command of Napoleon invaded Switzerland. Switzerland was completely overrun by the French and was renamed the Helvetic Republic. The Helvetic Republic encountered severe economic and political problems. In 1798 the country became a battlefield of the Revolutionary Wars, culminating in the Battles of Zürich in 1799. The Second Battle of Zurich (25–26 September 1799) was a key victory by the Republican French army in Switzerland led by André Masséna over an Austrian and Russian force commanded by Alexander Korsakov near Zürich. (Wikipedia)
1801 The Helvetic Government grants Ottenbach the license to carry out any transport with the Reuss ferry. Previously, the ferry was only approved for its own use.
1802 Swiss revolt forced French army to leave Switzerland. (Ottenbach Municipality Website)
During the French Revolutionary Wars, the French army invaded Switzerland and turned it into an ally known as the "Helvetic Republic" (1798–1803). It had a central government with little role for cantons. The interference with localism and traditional liberties was deeply resented, although some modernizing reforms took place. (Wikipedia.)
Napoleon and his enemies fought numerous campaigns in Switzerland that ruined many localities. It proclaimed the equality of citizens before the law, equality of languages, freedom of thought and faith; it created a Swiss citizenship, basis of our modern nationality, and the separation of powers, of which the old regime had no conception; it suppressed internal tariffs and other economic restraints; it unified weights and measures, reformed civil and penal law, authorized mixed marriages (between Catholics and Protestants), suppressed torture and improved justice; it developed education and public works. (William Martin)
1830 Pastor Locher obtains the construction of the first poorhouse in Ottenbach. (Ottenbach Municipality Website)
FS has the wrong parent for Heinrich's grandfather. Here is a summary of the correct information by generation:
Heinrich Berli ooI Hegetschweiler, ooII Sidler, ooIII Emmisberger
Berli Heinrich, von Ottenbach, ≈ 12.04.1781, Sohn von Caspar Berli und Barbara Sidler, ■ 14.12.1849
ooI 17.08.1807
Katharina Hegetschweiler, von Ottenbach, ≈ 12.04.1782, Tochter von Hans Jakob Hegetschweiler und Anna Barbara Gut, ■ 06.07.1811
Kinder:
09.11.1808 Verena, oo 1849 Heinrich Rosenberger
05.11.1809 Melchior, oo 1843 Anna Wismer (Melchior hat den Beinamen "Kabis")
Berli Heinrich (1781-1849)
ooII 13.04.1812
Sidler Elisabetha, von Ottenbach, ≈ 21.02.1779, Tochter von Rudolf Sidler und Elisabetha Sidler, ■ 02.03.1828
Kinder: keine Kinder aus dieser Ehe
Berli Heinrich (1781-1849)
ooIII 20.04.1818
Emmisberger Elisabetha, von Oberburg (KG Windisch AG), ≈ 05.04.1772, Tochter von Johannes Emmisberger und Catharina Meier, Witwe des Johannes Rychner zu Oberburg (■ 08.11.1817), ■ 22.04.1849
Kinder: keine Kinder aus dieser Ehe
Caspar Berli oo 1779 Barbara Sidler
Berli Caspar, von Ottenbach, ≈ 21.07.1748, Sohn von Rudolf Berli und Barbara Frei, ■ 16.10.1819
oo Zürich 12.04.1779
Sidler Barbara, von Ottenbach, ≈ 25.11.1753, Tochter von Caspar Sidler und Barbara Bär, ■ 09.07.1816
Kinder:
12.04.1781 Heinrich, ooI Catharina Hegetschweiler, ooII Eliabetha Sidler, ooIII Elisabetha Emmisberger
30.10.1784 Verena, oo Jakob Hegetschweiler
31.08.1789 Caspar, oo Verena Sidler
22.12.1793 Anna Barbara, oo Jakob Gallmann auf Aeugst
Quelle: Familienregister Ottenbach Seite 120 (pdf 65)
Rudolf Berli oo 1736 Barbara Frei
Berli Rudolf, von Ottenbach, ≈ 26.11.1699, ■ 08.04.1769
oo Ottenbach 10.01.1736
Frei Barbara, von Ottenbach, ≈ 27.08.1703
Kinder:
13.08.1724 Anna Barbara [§]
20.01.1726 Hans Jacob [§]
27.03.1729 Elisabeth [§]
04.08.1737 Hans Jacob
21.06.1739 Hans
05.03.1741 Verena
27.10.1743 Heinrich
21.07.1748 Caspar
und evtl. weitere
Transcription:
[§] Die ersten 3 Kinder werden zwar im Haushaltungsrodel als Kinder von Rudolf Berli und Barbara Frei geführt, stammen aber aus dessen erster Ehe (Ottenbach 18.01.1724) mit Elisabeth Funk.
Translation:
[The first 3 children are listed in the household register as children of Rudolf Berli and Barbara Frei, but are from his first marriage (Ottenbach 18.01.1724) to Elisabeth Funk.
Quellen: Familienregister Ottenbach Seite 120 (pdf 65), Haushaltungsrodel 1742 Seite 59 (pdf 35)
Elsbet
Rudolf Sydler von Otenbach und Lisebet Sydler auch von dort
Heinrich Sydler von Otenbach und Elsbet Haug auch von dort
Kent:
I have now trasncribed 3 generations Berli to Geneal-Forum. Note that Heinrich's son Melchior was called "Kabis
Daniel:
5 Apr(il) Heinrich Berli und Elisabetha Sidler beyde von Ottenbach
The marriage took place on April 19, 1812, probably in Zurich (last section to the right).
Translation:
Daniel:
Heinrich Berli died on Friday, December 14, 1849 and was buried on Wednesday, December 19, 1849. His age is given as 68 years 8 months and 2 days. I read the two words after his name as “Dreher Kobis”, which indicates his ancestry. So his father must have been called Jacob and must have been a turner.
Quellen: Familienregister Ottenbach Seite 120 (pdf 65), Haushaltungsrodel 1742 Seite 59 (pdf 35)
Documents related to Elisabetha Sidler:
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| 1779 Elisabetha Sidler baptism Ottenbach film 008014328 page 566 |
Daniel:
Transcription:
21. Febr(uar)Elsbet
Rudolf Sydler von Otenbach und Lisebet Sydler auch von dort
Heinrich Sydler von Otenbach und Elsbet Haug auch von dort
Translation:
21 Feb(uary)
Elsbet
Rudolf Sydler of Otenbach and Lisebet Sydler also from there
Heinrich Sydler of Otenbach and Elsbet Haug also from there
Who is Heinrich's father? Caspar Berli, but which one?
Elsbet
Rudolf Sydler of Otenbach and Lisebet Sydler also from there
Heinrich Sydler of Otenbach and Elsbet Haug also from there
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| 1781 Heinrich Berli baptism 12 Apr Ottenbach film 0080126955 page 230 |
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| And here is the baptismal entry for Caspar Berli 21.07.1748: |
The document I posted above is from 1710. It is about Heinrich's Berli's grandfather's wife Anna Schnebeli b 1712 and her husband, namely Jacob Berli born 1710 according to FS. (pedigree below)
Thode says Dreher = (lathe) turner. I assume he is the person who turns the lathe while someone else does the carving. (sounds like hard work)
Does the document above regarding Anna Schnebeli's death note anything about her husband Jacob Berli born 1710 and the word "Dreher?"
I must be missing something. It wouldn't be the first time. Could Caspar be the "Dreher?" What is your thinking
Wolf:
Thode says Dreher = (lathe) turner. I assume he is the person who turns the lathe while someone else does the carving. (sounds like hard work)
Does the document above regarding Anna Schnebeli's death note anything about her husband Jacob Berli born 1710 and the word "Dreher?"
I must be missing something. It wouldn't be the first time. Could Caspar be the "Dreher?" What is your thinking
Wolf:
Heinrich Berli's father was a Caspar (see the Familienregister on your blog page) - his grandfather a Rudolph. On his grandfather's page it is stated that the line was named after him "Rudels".
As far as the "tuner" is involved: I am not sure that this was a common profession at the time. According to the Idiotikon a Drajer (Dreher) was also a clumsy person (although from the position in the line a profession would be more likely).
Kent
As far as the "tuner" is involved: I am not sure that this was a common profession at the time. According to the Idiotikon a Drajer (Dreher) was also a clumsy person (although from the position in the line a profession would be more likely).
Kent
Ok, now I see what you are saying. The above Caspar birth entry is in complete contradiction to what is on FS. The Caspar Berli on FS has a birth date of 3 June 1748, not 21 July 1748 which is what the Familienregister says. This must be where the confusion comes in. Kent
Wolf:
I assume someone had a child - got the parents' marriage entry - and then picked the "wrong" husband.I have now trasncribed 3 generations Berli to Geneal-Forum. Note that Heinrich's son Melchior was called "Kabis
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| Heinrich Berli 1781 and Elisabetha Sidler 1779 Zürich Household Record, 1779, E lll 88.19 p 301 |
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| 1812 Heinrich Berli marriage to Elisabetha Sidler 13 Apr Ottenbach 008126955 page 56 |
5 Apr(il) Heinrich Berli und Elisabetha Sidler beyde von Ottenbach
The marriage took place on April 19, 1812, probably in Zurich (last section to the right).
Wolf:
Thank you, Daniel, for stepping in (I am still working on the "Johannes-1777-problem").
The marriage took place in St.Peter 13.04.1812.
The marriage took place in St.Peter 13.04.1812.
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| 1812 Heinrich Berli and Elisabetha Sidler marriage April 13 in Zurich |
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| 1812 Heinrich Berli and Elisabetha Sidler marriage April 13 in Zurich |
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| 1828 Elisabetha Sidler burial 2 March film 812695 page 792 |
Elizabeth Sidler legitimate surviving daughter of
Rudolf Sidler, 49 years 10 days.
Rudolf Sidler, 49 years 10 days.
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| 1849 Heinrich Berli burial 19 Dec Ottenbach film 008126955 page 17 |
Heinrich Berli died on Friday, December 14, 1849 and was buried on Wednesday, December 19, 1849. His age is given as 68 years 8 months and 2 days. I read the two words after his name as “Dreher Kobis”, which indicates his ancestry. So his father must have been called Jacob and must have been a turner.
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| Sidler and Hegetschweiler Temple Record by Julius Billeter, page 49 - 50 |