Elisabetha Sidler was born on a cold 10 December day in 1747 to Hans Jakob Sidler and Anna Hug.
Elisabetha was the 6th of their 8 children. She was the first daughter of Anna's second husband. The story of Anna Hug is one of un-believable loss. She dealt with many deaths in her lifetime. Rudolf Sidler married Elisabetha
Sidler 6 January 1768 in Ottenbach. He was 26 and she was 21. The marriage was performed by Pastor Hans Rudolf Hamberger b 1709-1776 and Ottenbach pastor 1757-1776, Ottenbach Parish Pastor. Elisabetha is Kent Gardiner's 4th great grandmother. One amazing woman!
Cousins?
It seems unusual for a married couple to share the same surname however most people at the time in the village of Ottenbach were distantly related to other members of the community in one way or another. This was the case with Rudolf and Elisabetha who were not first, second or third cousins. Cousins were allowed to marry sometimes, but the pastor then wrote 3. “Grad” (degree or generation) next to their name in the parish book. (see pedigree at end of post)
Did Rudolf see his grandchildren?
Rudolf Sidler and Elisabetha Sidler had 15 children. Nine lived to adulthood and married. Rudolf Sidler never saw any of his three girls marry or saw any grandchildren. Death was a major part of their lives.
We often see that from the age 20 years on, when marriage was allowed by the church, the parents had at least one child every year, often stillborn. The general rule for naming was that the parents used the name of their godparents to their first child. Often a family had multiple children with the same name. For example if a child named Barbara died, they continued the name until one survived the first few years. From this Julius Billeter concluded that a child died young and noted a "dy" by their name. On average these big farmer families had about two boys and two girls that made it to adulthood and most of them got married. (Peter Bertschinger)
Rudolf died 17 January 1801 and Elisabeth lived another 30 years! She married. In 1808 Elisabetha Sidler 2nd marriage was to Hans Kaspar Schwarzenbach of Adliswil 6 March.
What happened to their children?
Hans Jakob Sidler 1768-1769 died at 5 years 2 months 5 days
Dorothea Sidler 1769-1844 married Hans Kaspar Bär 4 December 1792, had 8 children, died 17 June 1844, lived to be 74 years 6 months 14 days
Dorothea Sidler 1769-1844 married Hans Kaspar Bär 4 December 1792, had 8 children, died 17 June 1844, lived to be 74 years 6 months 14 days
Anna Barbara 1771-1774 b 21 Jan 1771 died 14 May 1774. She was 3 years 3 months 23 days old.
Caspar Sidler 1772-1811 married Elisabetha Hegetschweiler in 1799, Elisabetha gave birth to a still born child on 24 September 1800, two days later Elisabetha Hegetschweiler died at age 23, Caspar and his second wife, Margaretha Berli, had four children, lived 39 years, 5 months 9 days
Caspar Sidler 1772-1811 married Elisabetha Hegetschweiler in 1799, Elisabetha gave birth to a still born child on 24 September 1800, two days later Elisabetha Hegetschweiler died at age 23, Caspar and his second wife, Margaretha Berli, had four children, lived 39 years, 5 months 9 days
Johannes Sidler 1773-1774 b 25 Oct 1773 died 17 May 1774, lived 6 months 22 days.
Johannes Sidler 1774 infant death
Hans Jakob Sidler 1776-1777 lived 1 year 9 months 10 days
Johannes Sidler 1777-1834 child out of wedlock with brother Caspar's widow, married Susanna Jenta, tailor, had three girls, large posterity, lived 56 years 6 months 7 days
Elisabetha Sidler 1779-1828 second wife of Heinrich Berli who had 3 wives, no children, lived 49 years 10 days according to her death record
Johannes Sidler 1774 infant death
Hans Jakob Sidler 1776-1777 lived 1 year 9 months 10 days
Johannes Sidler 1777-1834 child out of wedlock with brother Caspar's widow, married Susanna Jenta, tailor, had three girls, large posterity, lived 56 years 6 months 7 days
Elisabetha Sidler 1779-1828 second wife of Heinrich Berli who had 3 wives, no children, lived 49 years 10 days according to her death record
Anna Sidler 1780-1846 married Rudolf Hurter of Affoltern, lived to be 66. According to FamilySearch she had 12 children, lived 65 years 7 months 28 days
Heinrich Sidler 1781-1786 lived 4 years 8 months 6 days
Jakob Sidler 1783-1862 married Elisabeth Gut, no children (Billeter made a mistake on this person) lived about 61 years
Jakob Sidler 1783-1862 married Elisabeth Gut, no children (Billeter made a mistake on this person) lived about 61 years
Hans Ulrich Sidler 1784-1826 married Anna Barbara Schneebeli, had a stillborn daughter and a son who married
Hans Caspar Sidler 1786-1841 married Anna Häberling, 2 children, the boy married the girl didn't lived 54 years 2 months 2 days
Melchior Sidler 1788-1843 "since 1812 carpenter in Vienna", died in Ottenbach 54 years 5 months 18 days
Hans Caspar Sidler 1786-1841 married Anna Häberling, 2 children, the boy married the girl didn't lived 54 years 2 months 2 days
Melchior Sidler 1788-1843 "since 1812 carpenter in Vienna", died in Ottenbach 54 years 5 months 18 days
Marriage Court
In 1525 Zwingli and the municipal council in Zürich
established the marriage court, which quickly became a model for other cities
in southern Germany and Switzerland. The Reformed marriage court became a new
discursive site characterized by a specific combination of circumstances: the
municipal Reformed marriage courts represented the practical application of the
new teachings on matrimony, but in many respects, they also adopted traditions
from canon law....In Zurich, as in Basel or Augsburg, the activities of the
marriage courts at first centered on clarifying the validity of promises of
marriage and questions off divorce. The prosecution of illicit sexual behavior
was initially delegated to special morals courts, as in Zürich, or to the
Unzüchter (the municipal office responsible for maintaining public order and
morals. as in Basel or Augsburg which mainly issued warnings and reprimands....
In Zürich the two courts were practically synonymous....(Social Control in
Europe, 1500-1800 vol 1)
Many difficult cases were treated by the marriage court in
Zurich.
Childhood Mortality
Rudolf Sidler and Elisabetha Sidler had 15 children. Nine
lived to adulthood and married. Rudolf Sidler never saw any of his three girls
marry or saw any grandchildren. Death was a major part of their lives.
We often see that from the age 20 years on, when marriage
was allowed by the church, the parents had at least one child every year, often
stillborn. The general rule for naming was that the parents used the name of their godparents to their first child. Often a family had multiple children with the same name. For example if a child named Barbara died, they continued the name
until one survived the first few years. From this Julius Billeter concluded that a
child died young and noted a "dy" by their name. On average these big
farmer families had about two boys and two girls that made it to adulthood and
most of them got married. (Peter Bertschinger)
Second marriage:
Elisabetha's second marriage was to Hans Kaspar Schwarzenbach of Adliswil when she was 61 and Kaspar was 50 years 2 months. Ottenbach Pastor Locher performed the marriage in the Ottenbach Kirche on the 7th of March 1808. He had owned a "Hof" (literally a farm, more likely just some premises) in Wäldi (cannot identify the name of the premises), which he left to his son (I guess. Elisabeth was his second wife), after he bought something (like a care place - is not mentioned) in Allschwil, where he died 19 May 1828.
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| Kirche St. Peter in Zürich. |
Elisabetha's second marriage was to Hans Kaspar Schwarzenbach of Adliswil when she was 61 and Kaspar was 50 years 2 months. Ottenbach Pastor Locher performed the marriage in the Ottenbach Kirche on the 7th of March 1808. He had owned a "Hof" (literally a farm, more likely just some premises) in Wäldi (cannot identify the name of the premises), which he left to his son (I guess. Elisabeth was his second wife), after he bought something (like a care place - is not mentioned) in Allschwil, where he died 19 May 1828.
Adliswil is 8.5 miles east of Ottenbach. It is located quite near Lake Zürich. It is located in the region of Zimmerberg, within the valley of the river Sihl to the south of the city of Zürich, next to the localities of Kilchberg, Rüschlikon, Langnau am Albis and on the other hand Stallikon pertaining this to the district of Affoltern.
Who performed Elisabetha's second marriage and who buried her?
Answer: Hans Jakob Locher, from Zurich. (more below)
Where was Hans Kaspar Schwarzenbach from?
Adliswil was established as an independent Protestant church parish in 1898 from the church parish of Kilchberg. Civil registration began in 1876. On 19 May 1828 Kaspar died. His burial record is found in the Kilchberg Parish records and includes lots of great information. He lived 70 years 4 months 11 days. Kaspar was born 8 January 1758 in Adliswil. Elisabetha lived her last 3 years 5 months 24 days alone. (Source: Elisabetha's death certificate and marriage certificate enclosed, Wikipedia)
Elisabetha's Death
The parish record below gives Elisabetha's death date as 12
November 1831. This means she lived to see her son Johannes marry and saw three
grandchildren from Johannes, namely Jakob, Barbara and Anna. Unfortunately Susanna Sidler was born the next year and never met her grandmother. Elisabetha lived 83 years
11 month 2 days. That is a record in the Sidler family. To give this
perspective Period Life Expectancy at birth in the mid-19th century was around
40 years for males and 42 years for females. These figures increased to around
45 and 50 years respectively by 1901.
Who was alive to mourn Elisabetha's death? Dorothea age 62, Johannes
age 54, age Anna age 51, Jakob age 48 ,
Hans Caspar age 45 and Melchior age 43. They stood with neighbors, friends and
relatives in the Ottenbach Kirche yard as her body was delivered back to mother
earth. She returned to heaven where she saw her other 9 children who had passed previously.
Elisabetha lived a full life. She bore 15 children, 5 of whom died in infancy. She married twice. Elisabetha lived through Napoleon's army encampment in Ottenbach. In all respects Elisabetha was one amazing woman.
Pastors Elisabetha Sidler knew:
1737. Balthasar Zwingli, son of Hans Heinrich Zwingli. The greatest, most handsome man among all his brothers in office. In 1753 almost all of Ottenbach burned down. The pastor fell ill, had epilepsy (apoplectic) coincidences, never went to the pulpit again, died in 1757.
1757. Rudolf Hamberger. He died in 1776.
1776. David Locher. He died in 1796.
1796. Johannes Weber. He died in 1800. (Kept a school; diary from beginning of 1797 in Ottenbach. It provides information about the content and form of school lessons in Ottenbach during the revolutionary years up to 1800)
1800. Hans Jakob Locher, from Zurich. The community did not like his choice of establishing a poorhouse. Died in 1834. (Still known to the old people today under the name "Kammerer Locher". Hans died six days before Johannes Sidler. Some Ottenbach boys desecrated his grave. Hans was Johannes Pastor for 34 years. Hans Jakob Locher (1761-1834), pastor of Ottenbach, married to Anna Katharina Pfenninger. Had 13 children according to FamilySearch)
From FS: When Hans Jacob Locher was born on 12 October 1761, in Zürich, Zürich, Switzerland, his father, Dietrich Locher, was 31 and his mother, Elisabetha Breitinger, was 30. He married Anna Catharina Pfenninger on 1 February 1795, in Zürich, Switzerland. They were the parents of at least 6 sons and 7 daughters. He died on 25 October 1834, in Ottenbach, Zürich, Switzerland, at the age of 73.What happened in Ottenbach during the French wars?
The French Army "invades Ottenbach"
During the French Revolutionary Wars, the French army invaded Switzerland and turned it into an ally known as the "Helvetic Republic" (1798–1803). It had a central government with little role for cantons. The interference with localism and traditional liberties was deeply resented, although some modernizing reforms took place. (Wikipedia.)
Napoleon and his enemies fought numerous campaigns in Switzerland that ruined many localities. It proclaimed the equality of citizens before the law, equality of languages, freedom of thought and faith; it created a Swiss citizenship, basis of our modern nationality, and the separation of powers, of which the old regime had no conception; it suppressed internal tariffs and other economic restraints; it unified weights and measures, reformed civil and penal law, authorized mixed marriages (between Catholics and Protestants), suppressed torture and improved justice; it developed education and public works. (William Martin)
The French Army "invades Ottenbach"
1798 "Napoleon invades Switzerland." Towards evening, a troop of stormy French approached the mill, 1 mile south of Ottenbach, surrounded them noisily, and demanded entry with bayonets. Out of the big sacks the soldiers carry on their backs, stolen goods from Central Switzerland stood out. Cluttering, they invaded the house. But when the delightful scent of freshly cooked hams and soup poured out of their kitchen into their noses, they threw aside their weapons and sacks and rushed wildly at the food. Frau Miillerin kept calm and always scooped up the plates of soup and meat. She served the horde as generously as she could and did not spare the wine from the big barrel in the cellar. The soldiers filled their bellies and when they were full, they crawled into all corners and fell asleep. In the morning, she awoke them with scent of fresh coffee and freshly baked bread. With a full stomach and peacefully tuned, the soldiers then left the mill Rickenbach, without letting anything run and moved on. Thus, the mill and probably the whole village escaped the feared fate, thanks to the brave Mrs. Regula Funk. (This story was published in December 1985, in the village booklet "De Ottebächler" Nr.25. Publisher: Gewerbeverein Ottenbach)
Revolutionary Period
a) The rotten, worm-eaten style of government of the merciful gentlemen in Zurich in 1795, during the riots in Stäfa, kept itself afloat; in 1798 it sank without any resistance to the revolutionary (seditious) calls: freedom of the people, equality, fraternity! But this popular freedom was brought to the fore in French bayonets, and in times of need only a small part of fraternity proved itself! Nor did unity, 1798 to 1803, come out of revolutionary implications. The privileges of the cities, the unilateral tithe obligation of the Peasantry recognized, the separation of legislative, executive and judicial powers pronounced, on the other hand the right to vote of the people is not entirely direct (electors), and the centralization (unification) of governmental powers is far too extensive. The canton of Zurich developed into an administrative region of the Helvetian Republic. The cantonal governor was appointed by the unitary government. Smaller districts (districts) received sub governors. The first government governor in Zurich was Pfenninger von Stäfa, a revolutionary from 1795; first governor in the Müller Frick district in Rifferswil; Agent for the municipality of Ottenbach Jakob Weiss in Toussen.
Ottenbach during the French Occupation:
Let us now turn to the events that the revolutionary time brought to our Two Ottenbachers who were imprisoned in Zurich for diminishing the prestige of the authorities have been convicted:
1. They receive a strong response from the council;
2. before the Ottenbach standstill (civilians who take notes in meetings) by the dean in Kappel also a emphatic reprimand;
3. they have civil rights for two years. Junker Ratsherr Meiss spent some time in Knonau Castle, where he interrogated and exercised supervision because Landvogt Holzhalb led an unusually weak government. 1797. The authorities set the ticket to buy the carnival chickens at 10 ß (1 Fr.). From files in the State Archives. 1798, March 14. The Freiamt flag is brought back to the Knonau Palace by 32 men (probably from Zurich, where Junker Meiss has taken to custody). -
April 11. The Chamber of Administration holds its 1798, November 19. Ottenbach gives 140 fl. 10 ß (560 Fr.) to a love tax for the Stans devastated by French war people -, do. 22. From Ottenbach, 4 men were enlisted in the standing (continuously serving) Helvetian foot troops. (Obfelden, Gedenkschrift zum 50-jährigen Bestand der Gemeinde, Oktober 1897 )
a) The rotten, worm-eaten style of government of the merciful gentlemen in Zurich in 1795, during the riots in Stäfa, kept itself afloat; in 1798 it sank without any resistance to the revolutionary (seditious) calls: freedom of the people, equality, fraternity! But this popular freedom was brought to the fore in French bayonets, and in times of need only a small part of fraternity proved itself! Nor did unity, 1798 to 1803, come out of revolutionary implications. The privileges of the cities, the unilateral tithe obligation of the Peasantry recognized, the separation of legislative, executive and judicial powers pronounced, on the other hand the right to vote of the people is not entirely direct (electors), and the centralization (unification) of governmental powers is far too extensive. The canton of Zurich developed into an administrative region of the Helvetian Republic. The cantonal governor was appointed by the unitary government. Smaller districts (districts) received sub governors. The first government governor in Zurich was Pfenninger von Stäfa, a revolutionary from 1795; first governor in the Müller Frick district in Rifferswil; Agent for the municipality of Ottenbach Jakob Weiss in Toussen.
Ottenbach during the French Occupation:
Let us now turn to the events that the revolutionary time brought to our Two Ottenbachers who were imprisoned in Zurich for diminishing the prestige of the authorities have been convicted:
1. They receive a strong response from the council;
2. before the Ottenbach standstill (civilians who take notes in meetings) by the dean in Kappel also a emphatic reprimand;
3. they have civil rights for two years. Junker Ratsherr Meiss spent some time in Knonau Castle, where he interrogated and exercised supervision because Landvogt Holzhalb led an unusually weak government. 1797. The authorities set the ticket to buy the carnival chickens at 10 ß (1 Fr.). From files in the State Archives. 1798, March 14. The Freiamt flag is brought back to the Knonau Palace by 32 men (probably from Zurich, where Junker Meiss has taken to custody). -
April 11. The Chamber of Administration holds its 1798, November 19. Ottenbach gives 140 fl. 10 ß (560 Fr.) to a love tax for the Stans devastated by French war people -, do. 22. From Ottenbach, 4 men were enlisted in the standing (continuously serving) Helvetian foot troops. (Obfelden, Gedenkschrift zum 50-jährigen Bestand der Gemeinde, Oktober 1897 )
1800, August, 24. List of costs incurred by the Franconian (French) occupation of the municipality of Ottenbach from May 1798 to the end of 1799, signed by Mayor Johannes Schneebeli.
1. Accommodation: 20.336 man-days of 20 ß. ...............................10.118fl.
2. Horse feeding days à 30 ß (3 Fr.). ,…………...........................3.265 „20 ß
3. Damage: on grain 16 ml. ä 15 fl.; Barley 14 ml. 6 fl .; Wine, 2 hem, ä 15
fl .;Clover, 32 feet, 100 fl.; Hay, 8 clothes, 80 fl..…................... 552
fl .;Clover, 32 feet, 100 fl.; Hay, 8 clothes, 80 fl..…................... 552
4. Wagons 2316 3 3 draft animals 1 l1 / 2 fl., 1 man 1 fl., So each
performance 5 fl. 20 ß (22 Fr.) ….........................................10.738"
5. Ski jumps and fronts,3422 Days at 25 ß (2VsFr.) ....................2,098 „20 ß
6. Heu, 2340 Ztr. (50 kg.), 2 fl. 20 ß (10 Fr.)…….................................. 5,850
Straw, 506 Ztr., 1 fl. 10 ß …………………….............................632 „20 ß
Grain, 1100 Vrtl., 1 fl. (4 Fr.) ......................................................... 1,100 „
Barley, 40 Vrtl., * Ä 1 fl. 20 ß…….......................………....……....... 60 „
Oats, 32 Vrtl. ä 1 fl.,…………………...........................…………...... 32 „
Lost grain bag 80 ä 2 fl………............................………………........ 160„
Meat, 29 Ztr., ä 17 fl. (68 Fr.) ............................... ……………….....493 „
Bread, 1193 Pfd., Ä 4 ß,
Flour, 801 Pfd., Ä 4 ß (40 Rp.) …….........................…..............160„ 20ß
Wine, 21/2 seed, and 24 fl ….......................……………….............60 "
Suckling pig, hens, eggs ………...........................……………..........…8"
(141,312 fr.) ……………………........................……......….Total 35,328 fl.
(Pre-Activation):
The war damage for Ottenbach from 1800 and 1801, calculated according to the above approaches, amounts to 10.713 fl.
Accordingly for 1798 to 1801 to (184.164 Fr.) 46.041 fl.
1800, September 2. Decision of the Chamber of Administration: Since the basic interest on the Church Property, Ottenbach is not sufficient to pay the school teachers there, advances are to be levied on the persons who are liable to pay interest, which are to be written off from the purchase price.
1800, October 6th District Governor Hug in Ottenbach to Governor Ulrich in Zurich. (The Helvetian government in Bern has chosen a "moderate" city citizen, deaf and dumb teacher Ulrich, to replace the "patriotic" Pfenninger.) My position is becoming unbearably difficult for me. Our district has owed large debts for the sake of warfare. They were distributed to the communities and they relocated them as impartially as possible. But sturgeons rebel against it; they storm my house and reduce my working hours. That way I couldn't last for a year.
Unemployed in the parish of Ottenbach 1799
Households inhabitant unemployed
Households inhabitant unemployed
167 865 154
1799 Construction of the political community of Ottenbach, which also includes the five Obfelder hamlets. The quartering of French troops leads to a debt of the community. Ottenbach counts at that time many unemployed textile homeworkers.
1798 French army under the command of Napoleon invaded Switzerland. Switzerland was completely overrun by the French and was renamed the Helvetic Republic. The Helvetic Republic encountered severe economic and political problems. In 1798 the country became a battlefield of the Revolutionary Wars, culminating in the Battles of Zürich in 1799. The Second Battle of Zurich (25–26 September 1799) was a key victory by the Republican French army in Switzerland led by André Masséna over an Austrian and Russian force commanded by Alexander Korsakov near Zürich. (Wikipedia)
1801 The Helvetic Government grants Ottenbach the license to carry out any transport with the Reuss ferry. Previously, the ferry was only approved for its own use.
1802 Swiss revolt forced French army to leave Switzerland. (Ottenbach Municipality Website)
1830 Pastor Locher obtains the construction of the first poorhouse in Ottenbach.
(Ottenbach Municipality Website)
Ottenbach population:
| year | population |
|---|---|
| 1467 | 22 Households |
| 1650 | 320 |
| 1850 | 1,169 |
| 1900 | 1,107 |
| 1950 | 971 |
| 2000 | 2,164 |
Records related to Elisabetha Sidler:
Hans Häberlig: FS ID: 2HMS-SZ4 - born 1683- died 1765. Had nine children with Barbara Galmann. Second wife: Lisbeth Meÿer born 1704 died 1754, two children. So Jakob Sidler and Anna Hug chose an older couple for Elisabeth's birth witness couple. Hans Häberlig died in Ottenbach at 82 years old on 14 July 1765.
Note: One of the nice things about Switzerland is that whenever a person and place are mentioned in documents it is almost always their birth place. Even though the Häberlig family lived in Ottenback Bickwil is mentioned.
Elisabetha Sidler 10 Dec birth Jacob Sidler, Anna Hug,
film 008014328 page 434
Wolf:
1747 Den 10. Xbris: Lisabeth Sÿdler
H(ans) Jacob Sÿdler u(nd) Anna Hug, zu Ottenbach
Melcher Berli zu Ottenbach / Lisabeth Meÿer Hanß Häberligs H(aus)fr(au) zu Bickwi
1747 Den 10. Xbris: Lisabeth Sÿdler
H(ans) Jacob Sÿdler u(nd) Anna Hug, zu Ottenbach
Melcher Berli zu Ottenbach / Lisabeth Meÿer Hanß Häberligs H(aus)fr(au) zu Bickwi
Kent: "I assume there is no way to tell from the entry if the witness are a married couple?"
Wolf: They are definiotely not married to each other!
Lisabeth Meÿer is Hanß Häberlig's wife ;-).
Kent: Wolf: They are definiotely not married to each other!
Lisabeth Meÿer is Hanß Häberlig's wife ;-).
Hans Häberlig: FS ID: 2HMS-SZ4 - born 1683- died 1765. Had nine children with Barbara Galmann. Second wife: Lisbeth Meÿer born 1704 died 1754, two children. So Jakob Sidler and Anna Hug chose an older couple for Elisabeth's birth witness couple. Hans Häberlig died in Ottenbach at 82 years old on 14 July 1765.
Note: One of the nice things about Switzerland is that whenever a person and place are mentioned in documents it is almost always their birth place. Even though the Häberlig family lived in Ottenback Bickwil is mentioned.
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| Sidler and Hegetschweiler Temple Record book by Julius Billeter pages 41, 42 Second marriage for Anna. Elisabetha as a child in her parents family. |
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| 1758 Kaspar Schwarzenbach birth 8 January film 8194791 page 153, Kilchberg |
Wolf:
MDCCLVIII (1758) Januar d(en) 8. Waldi
H(an)s Caspar / + 19. / b(e)gr(aben) 22.V.1828
Salomon Schwarz(en)bach / Regula Hoz [Hotz]: married Kilchberg 15.06.1751
Caspar Nägeli Wirth zu Böndler / Anna Bleüler Hs. Caspar Rellstaben (Haus)frau auf Kilchb(erg)
I don't find a marriage Anna Bleuler with Hans Caspar Rellstab in EDB - just Kilchberg 13.02.1753 HK Rellstab with Anna Unholz (???).
H(an)s Caspar / + 19. / b(e)gr(aben) 22.V.1828
Salomon Schwarz(en)bach / Regula Hoz [Hotz]: married Kilchberg 15.06.1751
Caspar Nägeli Wirth zu Böndler / Anna Bleüler Hs. Caspar Rellstaben (Haus)frau auf Kilchb(erg)
I don't find a marriage Anna Bleuler with Hans Caspar Rellstab in EDB - just Kilchberg 13.02.1753 HK Rellstab with Anna Unholz (???).
Note: Death date noted by the Pastor, The birth of Elisabetha's second husband. Evangelisch-Reformierte Kirche Kilchberg ie: 22.V.1828 (22 May 1828)
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| Kaspar's parents marriage date and place. |
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1749 Bevölkerungsverzeichnis or church census Jakob Sidler Anna Hug w Elisabeth born 1747 film 8014124 FHL page 97 |
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1768 Rudolf Sidler and Elisabetha Sidler marriage 26 January
film 8014328 page 600 |
Eheleüthe A(nn)o 1768
Januarius d(en) 26. (dito)
Rudolph Sÿdler u(nd) Elisabetha Sÿdler, beÿde von Ottenbach
Copul(iert): hier (= Ottenbach)
Note:
Translation:
The inscription above reads:
Son and father were given the same
Equal lot from God bestowed
Each worked for forty years
This memorial to the community
Be dedicated to the faithful friend
God's word endures forever!
Rev. John XIV.13
(Translation: Both Father and Son suffered the same fate here on earth. Both served for forty years. This memorial, donated by the congregation, is dedicated to the faithful friend. May God's word remain forever! Rev. 14:13)
Billeter read this entry too quickly and put their marriage date at January 6, but as you can see there is a little "2" just before the 6 which makes the marriage date 26 January 1768. Ottenbach Pastor Rudolf Hamberger performed the marriage and wrote this entry for the happy couple.
Wolf:
1808 Elisabetha Sidler marriage to Hans Kaspar Schwarzenbach of Adliswil 6 March 1808:
d(en) 6 Mart(ius) 1808
H(an)s Caspar Schwarzenbach von Adlisweil der Pfarr Kilchberg
Elisabetha Sidler (Wittwe des Wachtmeisters Rudolf Sidlers sel(ig) von Ottenbach)
[Copuliert 7. Mart(ius) 1808 b(ei) St. Peter Zürich - belongs tp preceding marriage!]
Wolf:
Hans Caspar Schwarzenbach
von Adlischwil, starb an Altersschwachheit, s(eines) Alters 70 J, 4 M, 11 T [b(aptizatus) 08.01.1758] [besaß ein Hof in Waldi-...., überliß denselben s(eine)m Sohn, u(nd) kaufte in Adlischwil wo er starb.
Starb (Monday) 19. Mai / B(e)gr(aben) (Thursday) 22. (Mai 1828)
Note: Hans Caspar Schwarzenbach died from age-related weakness, aged 70y 3m 11d (which fits his baptismal date exactly). He had owned a "Hof" (literally a farm, more likely just some premises) in Wäldi (cannot identify the name of the premises), which he left to his son (I guess. Elisabeth was his second wife), after he bought something (like a care place - is not mentioned) in Allschwil, where he died.Note: Found in EDB:
Kilchberg 23.06.1778
Schwarzenbach, Hans Kaspar, Adliswil, married Welti, Elisabeth, Adliswil
Married again 1808; + 1828
+ 12.3.1805 - which will most likely when his first wife died.
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1749 Kirche Census Jakob Sidler Anna Hug w Elisabetha born 1747
film 8014124 page 97, FHL
film number 1185176, Elisabetha is 2 yrs old
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1795 Ottenbach Haushaltungsrodel, page 197 film 8126955)
Rudolf Sidler family record, See all the beautiful children!
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| 1808 Elisabetha Sidler marriage to Hans Kaspar Schwarzenbach of Adliswil 6 March 1808, Entry by Pastor Hans Kaspar Locher Ottenbach film 8126955 page 887 |
1808 Elisabetha Sidler marriage to Hans Kaspar Schwarzenbach of Adliswil 6 March 1808:
d(en) 6 Mart(ius) 1808
H(an)s Caspar Schwarzenbach von Adlisweil der Pfarr Kilchberg
Elisabetha Sidler (Wittwe des Wachtmeisters Rudolf Sidlers sel(ig) von Ottenbach)
[Copuliert 7. Mart(ius) 1808 b(ei) St. Peter Zürich - belongs tp preceding marriage!]
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| 1808 Elisabetha Sidler marriage to Hans Kaspar Schwarzenbach of Adliswil 6 March film 8126955 page 887, Entry by Ottenbach Pastor Hans Kaspar Locher. |
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| 1828 Hans Kaspar Schwarzenbach death 19 May 1828 film 8194791 page 854 |
Hans Caspar Schwarzenbach
von Adlischwil, starb an Altersschwachheit, s(eines) Alters 70 J, 4 M, 11 T [b(aptizatus) 08.01.1758] [besaß ein Hof in Waldi-...., überliß denselben s(eine)m Sohn, u(nd) kaufte in Adlischwil wo er starb.
Starb (Monday) 19. Mai / B(e)gr(aben) (Thursday) 22. (Mai 1828)
Note: Hans Caspar Schwarzenbach died from age-related weakness, aged 70y 3m 11d (which fits his baptismal date exactly). He had owned a "Hof" (literally a farm, more likely just some premises) in Wäldi (cannot identify the name of the premises), which he left to his son (I guess. Elisabeth was his second wife), after he bought something (like a care place - is not mentioned) in Allschwil, where he died.
Kilchberg 23.06.1778
Schwarzenbach, Hans Kaspar, Adliswil, married Welti, Elisabeth, Adliswil
Married again 1808; + 1828
+ 12.3.1805 - which will most likely when his first wife died.
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| Kaspars first wife from Zürich Archives |
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| 1831 Elisabetha showing the date of death 1831 Rudolf Sidler E_III_88.19_S_72 Zürich Archives document |
1831 Elisabetha Sidler 12 November death Tot Reg._Ottenbach_E_III_88_5_S_593_halb
This is a photograph of the actual Parish book entry written by Pastor Hans Jakob Locher.
and is held in the Zürich archives.
Elisabetha Sidler ehelich (married) witue (Widow) achgelassene (was left behind) Caspar Schwarenbach, sel (deceased). 83 years 2 days. (he left out the 11 months) Billeter read this and included this information in his record.
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| 1831 Elisabetha Sidler death: 12 Nov burial: 15 Nov Ottenbach film 008126955 page 787 |
Wolf:
Ottenbach record:
Gestorben 12.Nov. 1831 / Begraben 15.Nov. 1831
Elisabetha Siedler, Hs. Caspar Schwarzenbach sel. ehlich nachgelaßene [left behind] Witwe von Adlischwil der Pfarr Kilchberg.
Alter 84 (82?) J. 11 M. 2 Tage - age looks corrected - both (82
and 84) would be wrong.
Deepl:
Ottenbach record:
Died Nov. 12, 1831 / Buried Nov. 15, 1831
Elisabetha Siedler, Hs. Caspar Schwarzenbach sel. ehlich nachgelaßene [left behind] Witwe von Adlischwil der Pfarr Kilchberg.
Age 84 (82?) y. 11 m. 2 days - age looks corrected - both (82 and 84) would be wrong.
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1831 Elisabetha Sidler death: 12 November burial: 15 November burial page 787 film 008126955 Ottenbach Pastor Locher's handwriting. |
How did Kent find Elisabeth's Pastor?
Kent: First I looked at the 1831 burial record for Elisabetha Sidler and noticed the unique, clear cursive/script the Pastor wrote in. I told Wolf how impressed I was with the entry and he sent me the name of a book on Pastors in the Zürich area. I tried to find a copy in the U.S. but no luck. I looked in the Kilchberg records. None. A day later I found a Pastor's name on the first page on the Kilchberg film roll. It is the title page on the film roll with the name of the Pastor in 1798. (see below) Was this our man? If so he served from 1798 to 1834 when his handwriting ends. Apparently Pastor Wirtz served 36 years in Kilchberg. Next I found his name in FamilySearch with his wife and children. I figured Pastor Wirtz died at the end of his service and FamilySearch confirmed that. When I went to his sources I found a Find-A-Grave entry under 1834. On that site there was a photo of his grave marker on the side of the Kilchberg chapel. It was uploaded by Robert Savary on 22 Oct 2017. A kind person transcribed and translated it and entered it into Find-A-Grave. I will be forever grateful for that person because it says Pastor Wirtz and his son both served as Pastors and has scripture. Elisabetha knew Pastor Wirtz for at least 20 years while she lived in Kilchberg with Hans Kaspar Schwarzenbach. Upon Kaspar's death it was Pastor Wirtz who wrote his burial/death record and three years later while Elisabetha was living with one of her children in Ottenbach, Pastor Wirtz wrote Elisabeth's death/burial record into the Kilchberg Kirche book. The entry contains amazing details on Hans Kaspar Schwarzenbach, the end of her live and how she died. Thank you Pastor Wirtz!!! |
| 1798 Pfarrer in Kilchberg Johann Heinrich Wirtz, who wrote burial record for Elisabetha. The handwriting changes in 1834 on page 878 |
Hans Heinrich Wirtz (Wirz)was born 18 November 1756 in Kilchberg. He died 2 July 1834 in Kilchberg. He married Anna Füssle 10 September 1786 in Zürich and they had 6 children. FS ID: KJ7B-JHC
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| Memorial to Pfr. Johann Heinrich Wirz, Kilchberg (ZH) Switzerland |
Son and father were given the same
Equal lot from God bestowed
Each worked for forty years
This memorial to the community
Be dedicated to the faithful friend
God's word endures forever!
Rev. John XIV.13
John 14:13 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
(Translation: Both Father and Son suffered the same fate here on earth. Both served for forty years. This memorial, donated by the congregation, is dedicated to the faithful friend. May God's word remain forever! Rev. 14:13)
Rev 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
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| 1834 Johann Heinrich Wirtz death 10 May Father Conrad mother Regula burial Kilchberg 22 July film 009194791 Page 878 |
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| 1831 Elisabetha Sidler burial 25 November Kilchberg Film # 008194791 page 866 |
Wolf:
Kilchberg record:
Elisabetha Schwarzenbach geb. [nee] Siedler
Hans Kaspar Schwarzenbachs sel(ig) [late] auf Waldi am Adlischwilerberg ehel(iche) Wittwe, starb bey einem Sohn in Ottenbach, ihrem Geburtsorte, wo sie sich seit Mannes Tod 1828 aufhielt, altersschwach, aet(atis) 83 J 11 M 2 T (b. 10.12.1747)
(Laut Zuschrift Pfarramts Ottenbach den 15.XI.1831)
Adlischwil-Berg. St(arb) in Ottenbach den 12., begr(aben) daselbst [same location = Ottenbach] 15. Novemb(er), hier verkündt (announced) Sunday 27.
Elisabetha had lived with her second husband in Adliswil-Waldi. After his death (1828) she moved back to her place of birth (Ottenbach) and lived with a son. She died there from age-related weakness and was buried in Ottenbach. Likely, as she had lived in Adliswil (and was known to the community - and, not sure at this time, had gained Adliswil citizenship by marrying an Adliswil man) this was reported to Adliswil (on the 15th) and announced on the 27th.
Elisabetha lived a full life. She bore 15 children, 5 of whom died in infancy. She married twice. Elisabetha lived through Napoleon's army encampment in Ottenbach. In all respects Elisabetha was one amazing woman.
Kilchberg record:
Elisabetha Schwarzenbach geb. [nee] Siedler
Hans Kaspar Schwarzenbachs sel(ig) [late] auf Waldi am Adlischwilerberg ehel(iche) Wittwe, starb bey einem Sohn in Ottenbach, ihrem Geburtsorte, wo sie sich seit Mannes Tod 1828 aufhielt, altersschwach, aet(atis) 83 J 11 M 2 T (b. 10.12.1747)
(Laut Zuschrift Pfarramts Ottenbach den 15.XI.1831)
Adlischwil-Berg. St(arb) in Ottenbach den 12., begr(aben) daselbst [same location = Ottenbach] 15. Novemb(er), hier verkündt (announced) Sunday 27.
Elisabetha had lived with her second husband in Adliswil-Waldi. After his death (1828) she moved back to her place of birth (Ottenbach) and lived with a son. She died there from age-related weakness and was buried in Ottenbach. Likely, as she had lived in Adliswil (and was known to the community - and, not sure at this time, had gained Adliswil citizenship by marrying an Adliswil man) this was reported to Adliswil (on the 15th) and announced on the 27th.
Elisabetha's Death
The parish record below gives Elisabetha's death date as 12 November 1831. This means she lived to see her son Johannes marry and saw three grandchildren from Johannes, namely Jakob, Barbara and Anna. Unfortunately Susanna Sidler was born the next year and never met her grandmother. Elisabetha lived 83 years 11 month 2 days. That is a record in the Sidler family. To give this perspective Period Life Expectancy at birth in the mid-19th century was around 40 years for males and 42 years for females. These figures increased to around 45 and 50 years respectively by 1901.
Who was alive to mourn Elisabetha's death? Dorothea age 62, Johannes age 54, age Anna age 51, Jakob age 48 , Hans Caspar age 45 and Melchior age 43. They stood with neighbors, friends and relatives in the Ottenbach Kirche yard as her body was delivered back to mother earth. Her spirit returned to heaven where she saw her 9 children who had passed previously.
Elisabetha lived a full life. She bore 15 children, 5 of whom died in infancy. She married twice. Elisabetha lived through Napoleon's army encampment in Ottenbach. In all respects Elisabetha was one amazing woman.
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| 1920 auf Kilchberg |
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| Sidler and Hegetschweiler Temple Record by Julius Billeter, page 49 - 50 |
