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| Ottenbach Church where Barbara buried two of her children. |
Jacob Berli ooI 1845 Anna Barbara Hofstetter, ooII 1854 Barbara Sidler
Post by Wolf » Sat 22. Mar 2025, 18:20
Berli Jacob "Kuonis", */≈ Ottenbach 24./30.10.1814 (pdf 82), Sohn von Johann Berli und Elisabeth Wydler, + 21.03.1889
ooI Zürich-St.Peter 15.12.1845
Hofstetter Anna Barbara, von Dachelsen, ≈ Mettmenstetten 04.08.1822 (pdf 104), Tochter von Hans Jacob Hofstetter und Elisabeth Gut, +/■ Ottenbach 29.03./01.04.1853 (pdf 287).
Kinder:
24.08.1846 Selina, oo 1863 Heinrich Leutert, + 04.12.1916
09.01.1850 Jacob, + 07.02.1850
10.01.1851 Jacob, + 29.01.1851
Berli Jacob (1814-1889)
ooII Ottenbach 11.12.1854 (pdf 194)
Sidler Barbara, */≈ Maschwanden 18./27.03.1825 (pdf 63), Tochter von Johannes Sidler und Susanna Jenta, + 01.12.1895
Kinder:
11.01.1859 Anonymus, + 11.01.1859
10.05.1866 Heinrich, oo 1883 Anna Nievergelt, + 09.05.1893
25.10.1871 Karl, + 04.11.1871
Quelle: Bürger-Familienregister 1876 (pdf 204) mit Ergänzungen.
Barbara lived and died in Ottenbach. There are many Berli family members in this little Swiss community with rolling hills and vast forests. In fact they are founding members of the community and if you ask a citizen of Ottenbach today they will tell you that name is important to the community.
Barbara's husband Jakob Berli was born October 24 1814, eleven years before Barbara. Jakob married A. Barbara Hofstatter December 15, 1845. Jakob was 31 and Barbara was 23. Their first child was Salina who was born 24 August 1846 and christened 6 September 1846. Salina was confirmation in 1863. She married Heinrich Leuthert. Then Barbara Hofstatter and Jakob had Jakob1 January 9 1850, but the child died 7 February 1850 and then came Jacob2 born 10 January 1851 who died 29 January 1851. Sad as it may seem a little more than two years later on the 29th of March 1853 Barbara died. All were buried in the Ottenbach Reformed Church grounds.
A year and a half later on the 11 December 3 1854 (the family record says the 11th but Pastor Rudolf Tappolet wrote the 3rd) Jakob married Barbara Sidler 29 who resided in the little village. The couple had three children Born Dead (stillborn) Berli born 11 January 1859, Henrich Berli 10 May 1866 who was christened 20 May 1866. Henrich married 9 May 1893 and had a family. Their third child Karl was born 25 October 1871, and christened 27 October 1871 in the Ottenbach Reformed Church. Unfortunately the child died November 4, 1871.
So only two of Jakob's six children lived to adulthood and married: Heinrich and Selena. In other words Jakob lost four of his six children. We often see that from the age 20 years on, when marriage was allowed by the church, the parents had at least one child every year, often stillborn. The rule for naming was that the godparents gave their first name to the child. For example if a child named Jakob died, they continued the name until one survived the first years. From this Julius Billeter, Swiss genealogists, concluded that a child died young and noted a "dy" by their name. On average these big farmer families had about two boys and two girls that made it to adulthood and most of them got married. (Peter Bertschinger, FamilySearch)
Barbara lived 70 years 8 months 14 days. She died 1 December 1895 in Ottenbach where she was buried. Her son Henrich who had married 2.5 years previous, his wife and Barbara's step-daughter Selina standing stood at her graveside in the Ottenbach church grounds on that cold winter day. In addition there was the parish priest Hans Kambli from Zürich and many neighbors and cousins.
Wolf research on the Berli line:
Documents relating to Barbara Sidler and Jakob Berli:
Wolf:
1825
Johannes Siedler von Ottenbach / Susanna Jenta
Barbara
18 und 27 Merz (born / baptized)
Note: Caspar Siedler von Ottenbach, Vaters Bruder (father's brother) / Barbara Jenta von Wetzikon, der Mutter Schwester (mother's sister)
Barbara's husband Jakob Berli was born October 24 1814, eleven years before Barbara. Jakob married A. Barbara Hofstatter December 15, 1845. Jakob was 31 and Barbara was 23. Their first child was Salina who was born 24 August 1846 and christened 6 September 1846. Salina was confirmation in 1863. She married Heinrich Leuthert. Then Barbara Hofstatter and Jakob had Jakob1 January 9 1850, but the child died 7 February 1850 and then came Jacob2 born 10 January 1851 who died 29 January 1851. Sad as it may seem a little more than two years later on the 29th of March 1853 Barbara died. All were buried in the Ottenbach Reformed Church grounds.
A year and a half later on the 11 December 3 1854 (the family record says the 11th but Pastor Rudolf Tappolet wrote the 3rd) Jakob married Barbara Sidler 29 who resided in the little village. The couple had three children Born Dead (stillborn) Berli born 11 January 1859, Henrich Berli 10 May 1866 who was christened 20 May 1866. Henrich married 9 May 1893 and had a family. Their third child Karl was born 25 October 1871, and christened 27 October 1871 in the Ottenbach Reformed Church. Unfortunately the child died November 4, 1871.
So only two of Jakob's six children lived to adulthood and married: Heinrich and Selena. In other words Jakob lost four of his six children. We often see that from the age 20 years on, when marriage was allowed by the church, the parents had at least one child every year, often stillborn. The rule for naming was that the godparents gave their first name to the child. For example if a child named Jakob died, they continued the name until one survived the first years. From this Julius Billeter, Swiss genealogists, concluded that a child died young and noted a "dy" by their name. On average these big farmer families had about two boys and two girls that made it to adulthood and most of them got married. (Peter Bertschinger, FamilySearch)
Barbara lived 70 years 8 months 14 days. She died 1 December 1895 in Ottenbach where she was buried. Her son Henrich who had married 2.5 years previous, his wife and Barbara's step-daughter Selina standing stood at her graveside in the Ottenbach church grounds on that cold winter day. In addition there was the parish priest Hans Kambli from Zürich and many neighbors and cousins.
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| Excerpt from Jakob Berli Household Record Zurich Archives EIII 88.19, S.637 |
Wolf research on the Berli line:
Johannes Berli oo 1810 Elisabetha Wydler
Jakob Berli oo 1776 Barbara Schneebeli
Hans Jakob Berli ooI 1748 Elisabetha Blickenstorfer, ooII 1779 Elisabetha Aeberli
Rudolf Berli ooI 1724 Elisabetha Funk, ooII 1728 Barbara Frei
Hans Ulrich Berli oo 1680 Judith Bickel
Heinrich Berli ooI 1645 Veronica Gut, ooII 1676 Anna Bär: here still many questions are open. In the meantime I am convinced that he was not born 1619/1620 (my first assumption - also in the familysearch tree), but 1626/1627. I do not find a "well" fitting baptismal record, however. Therefore - whenever you find the time - could you, please, check the Hausen am Albis Bevölkerungsverzeichnis 1634 and possibly also 1637 for Berli families with a son Heinrich (or Hans Heinrich) born between 1618 and 1628?
Documents relating to Barbara Sidler and Jakob Berli:
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| 1825 Barbara Sidler birth 18 Mar Maschwandenfilm 008125639 page 63 |
1825
Johannes Siedler von Ottenbach / Susanna Jenta
Barbara
18 und 27 Merz (born / baptized)
Note: Caspar Siedler von Ottenbach, Vaters Bruder (father's brother) / Barbara Jenta von Wetzikon, der Mutter Schwester (mother's sister)
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| Barbara Sidler married to Jakob Berli 3 December 1854 film 8126955 page 867 |
Dec. 3 [1854]
Jakob Berli, Künis & Barbara Siedler, beÿde von hier
(married in) Ottenbach
Note: Künis (Kuonis) is a nickname (written differently in different records) - has nothing to do with "Civis (= citizen)."
Note: This is a rather "spartanic" record - for more info on the family see Jacob Berli ooI 1845 Anna Barbara Hofstetter, ooII 1854 Barbara Sidler.
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| Sidler and Hegetschweiler Temple Record by Julius Billeter, page 74 |
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| Jakob Berli Household Record Zurich Archives EIII 88.19, S.637 |